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ISIS Supporters: Syria Will Be A "Graveyard For Russians"
vocativ.com/ ^ | Sep 21, 2015 at 11:39 AM | Gilad Shiloach and Vladi Vovcuk

Posted on 09/23/2015 12:47:10 PM PDT by Trumpinator

ISIS Supporters: Syria Will Be A "Graveyard For Russians"

Islamic State supporters and Syrian rebel groups are spewing anti-Russia propaganda

By Gilad Shiloach and Vladi Vovcuk on Sep 21, 2015 at 11:39 AM

ISIS supporters and Syrian rebel groups are vowing to turn Syria into a “graveyard for Russians,” launching what collectively amounts to an anti-Russia propaganda campaign that in part is calling on fighters to prepare for war against the major world power.

Jaish al-Islam, a coalition of Islamist units battling the Syrian regime, is especially contributing to the online fight. It published a video to YouTube claiming that the group prepared explosives and mines to be used against Russian soldiers. Another video circulating allegedly shows Jaish al-Islam firing rockets on a Russian base in Latakia, a Syrian port city.

Verbal attacks targeting Russian soldiers are simmering across social media platforms. Posts from accounts affiliated with the Islamic State and Syrian rebel groups are threatening Russia with the hashtag “Syria is the graveyard of Russians and Shiites” (#سوريا_مقبرة_الروس_والمجوس). One ISIS forum also posted a “warning to ISIS soldiers,” saying “war between ISIS lions and the Iranian-Russian coalition is near.”

Other social media accounts, particularly those operated by Syrian rebel groups, shared photos and a video showing what they claim are Russian jets maneuvering in Syria’s skies, although the authenticity of the video could not be verified.

Syria’s foreign minister said last week his country was considering asking for Russian troops to join the forces of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. On Monday, two U.S. officials told Reuters that Russia has started drone surveillance missions in the country. The drone operations seem to be based out of Latakia, where fighter jets, helicopter gunships and naval infantry forces have arrived in recent days, the officials told Reuters.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia; Syria; War on Terror
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To: Sawdring

You don’t have to be humble with me.

We all express our opinions here

and I learn something new every day here.


81 posted on 09/23/2015 4:47:41 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: Sawdring

“What is your take on Russian and Chinese long term military, economic and political cooperation?”

Good question

but that is beyond me.


82 posted on 09/23/2015 4:49:05 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: MarvinStinson

It will probably last as long as Nazi-Soviet cooperation during WWII.


83 posted on 09/23/2015 4:50:43 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Trumpinator

I’ll bet $100 on the Russkies, and i bet they don’t have CAIR in Russia either.

And they won’t do the same mistakes last time in Afghanistan.


84 posted on 09/23/2015 4:51:17 PM PDT by Daniel Ramsey (Trump to win! He wins, we win, the nation wins!)
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To: MarvinStinson
I'm not advancing Obama's foreign policy, but if I had to guess, Iran may already have something cooked up and the Obama administration thinks they can play the deterrence game the Iranian regime.

So, why do you think Russia is helping Iran get the bomb and how long do you think Russia and China can cooperate together?

85 posted on 09/23/2015 4:52:05 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: ColdOne

[This might be fun to watch. Syria isn’t Afghanistan.]

There are parallels though. In Afghanistan the Soviets were up against US backed Mujahedeen, in Syria Russia is up against US backed ISIS. ( may or may not be sarc, you decide.)


86 posted on 09/23/2015 5:24:55 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: xrmusn

“Wait till the ‘fired US Military types’ form a brigade ala ‘Lafayette Escadrille’ or ‘Flying Tigers’ and help Russia..”
Holy Cow! Hadnt thought about that.


87 posted on 09/23/2015 5:50:29 PM PDT by Wilderness Conservative
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To: Mastador1

they have watched our efforts in Afk/Iraq with great interest, and have adjusted accordingly. Russian Naval Infantry don’t mess around, and I imagine they will prove adept at scalp-hunting when it comes down to it.


88 posted on 09/23/2015 6:21:22 PM PDT by Thunder 6
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To: Sawdring; MarvinStinson; Trumpinator
Russia is part of Western civilization. The Cold War makes it seem that it was a east vs west civilization but that is not the case. Russia was western under the Czars (Christian and an inheritor of Roman civilization and Germanic via the Vikings) and it was under Western civilization under the Commies (we forget Marx was a German and lived in London and wrote for an English newspaper).

Russia did not - repeat did not - provide Iran with the nuclear technology to build the bomb. That came from American ally Pakistan. Their program invented the use of thousands of centrifuges to make a bomb. Russia was selling Iran a nuclear reactor that could not produce material to make a weapon.

And the question of if I see a difference between Shites and Sunnis like like shocking to me. There are huge differences between them. At this point I favor the Shites - In Iran women have more freedom than in Saudi Arabia and Christians are protected and are given seats in the govt (they have a large ancient Christian community of mostly Armenians). Maybe the fact that the Iranians are not Arabs and come from the ancient Persians helps them be not as insane as the Sunni Saudi Wahhabi Arabs.

Russia and China share a border. They will cooperate the way nuclear powers do when they share such a border.

89 posted on 09/24/2015 7:08:14 AM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: Trumpinator

LOTS of excellent points in that post of yours.


90 posted on 09/24/2015 7:36:01 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: Trumpinator

JIMMY CARTER was the father of Iran’s nuclear program.

Before Carter was president, the Shah of Iran’s ally, the USA, gave their ally the Shah of Iran the start of a nuclear program.

When Carter became president of the US, he worked relentlessly to undermine the Shah

and did so successfully, putting Iran in the hands of the insane religious mullahs-——who inherited the US -set-up nuclear program the US had given the Shah.

ALL the troubles the US has had with Iran since that time sit at the feet of Jimmy Carter.


91 posted on 09/24/2015 7:45:41 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: MarvinStinson
Yes and no. The American reactor could also not be used to make weapons grade anything.

I think the confusion is in the fact that Iran is using the existence of a civilian nuclear power plant as a cover to make weapons grade uranium on its own - the excuse/cover being they were making fuel to use in the civilian reactor.

92 posted on 09/24/2015 7:59:10 AM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: Trumpinator
Russia is part of Western civilization. The Cold War makes it seem that it was a east vs west civilization but that is not the case. Russia was western under the Czars (Christian and an inheritor of Roman civilization and Germanic via the Vikings) and it was under Western civilization under the Commies (we forget Marx was a German and lived in London and wrote for an English newspaper).

No, Russia is part of Orthodox civilization with its role model being the ancient Byzantine structure. Read the Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order. It has much to say on the subject.

Russia did not - repeat did not - provide Iran with the nuclear technology to build the bomb. That came from American ally Pakistan. Their program invented the use of thousands of centrifuges to make a bomb. Russia was selling Iran a nuclear reactor that could not produce material to make a weapon.

Russia is the critical power that has helped Iran with its nuclear program and missile technology. Do some research on Persepolis.

93 posted on 09/24/2015 10:07:57 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring
I read his book. Huntington was correct about many things but not all things.

That is like saying Western civilization does not include Catholic countries of Southern Europe - it just applies to the Protestant north. And then I heard others states Western civilization is just basically France and England.

And the Americas are not thrown into Western civilization except the USA, and so on.

94 posted on 09/24/2015 10:11:21 AM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: MarvinStinson
ALL the troubles the US has had with Iran since that time sit at the feet of Jimmy Carter.

All the troubles with Iran started when the British found oil in Masjed Soleyman and then extracted it.

95 posted on 09/24/2015 10:11:23 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring
Russia is the critical power that has helped Iran with its nuclear program and missile technology. Do some research on Persepolis.

I call that false. American ally Pakistan sold the technology to North Korea and to Iran. End of story.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/21/father-pakistan-nuclear-bomb-says-nuke-deal-may-have-saved-iran-from-disaster/

Dr. A.Q. Khan, known as the father of Pakistan’s nuclear bomb and a widely suspected supplier of nuclear technology to Iran and North Korea, told Fox News Tuesday that the Islamic republic’s recent nuclear deal with the United States and its negotiating partners may have saved Iran from disaster, either in the form of an internal coup or external attack.

96 posted on 09/24/2015 10:14:19 AM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: Sawdring
There you go: More evidence American ally Pakistan sold the nuke weapons technology to the Iranians and North Koreans - not the Russians.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/16/world/asia/16nuke.html?_r=0

The illicit nuclear network run by Dr. Khan was broken up in early 2004. President Bush, eager for an intelligence victory after the failure to find unconventional weapons in Iraq, declared that ending Dr. Khan’s operation was a major coup for the United States. Since then, evidence has emerged that the network sold uranium enrichment technology to Iran, North Korea and Libya. Investigators are still pursuing leads that he may have done business with other countries.

97 posted on 09/24/2015 10:17:01 AM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: Trumpinator

One guy built Iran’s nuclear weapons program instead of the collaboration between Iranian and Russian nuclear weapons and missile technicians, engineers and scientists? Persepolis.


98 posted on 09/24/2015 10:25:17 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Trumpinator
We don't have to get stuck on the question of which civilization Orthodox Russia belongs to. I'm just proposing to you that the United States and her allies shouldn't blindly follow Russia's foreign policy proscriptions and prescriptions, especially when Russia and China are partnering against them.

I would take South Korea over North Korea, Saudi Arabia over Iran, Poland over Belarus, Japan over China and the EU over the Eurasian Economic Union any day.

Your thoughts on pointing out the congruities between Russian foreign policy and Conservative positions are interesting to read here and I welcome more of the same.

99 posted on 09/24/2015 10:44:07 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring
Really? One guy? You never heard of the Khan network? And your commenting on this from some base of supposed knowledge?

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/12/world/a-tale-of-nuclear-proliferation-how-pakistani-built-his-network.html?_r=0

The break for American intelligence operatives tracking Abdul Qadeer Khan's nuclear network came in the wet August heat in Malaysia, as five giant cargo containers full of specialized centrifuge parts were loaded into one of the nondescript vessels that ply the Straits of Malacca.

The C.I.A. had penetrated the factory of Scomi Precision Engineering, where one of the nuclear network's operatives -- known to the workers only as Tinner -- watched over the production of the delicate machinery needed to enrich uranium for nuclear bombs.

Spy satellites tracked the shipment as it wended its way to Dubai, where it was relabeled ''used machinery'' and transferred to a German-owned ship, the BBC China. When it headed through the Suez Canal, bound for Libya, the order went out from Washington to have it seized, according to accounts from American officials.

That seizure led to the unraveling of a trading network that sent bomb-making designs and equipment to at least three countries -- Iran, North Korea and Libya -- and has laid bare the limits of international controls on nuclear proliferation.

100 posted on 09/24/2015 11:44:38 AM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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