And name one historical issue where conservatives won. Anywhere. Any time. The only way conservative EVER win is by admitting they were wrong and becoming liberals. Magna Carta. Copernican theory. Evolution. Independence. Slavery. Civil rights. Women’s vote. Gay rights. Conservatives fought tooth and nail and lost every time. Every time.
Someone posted the above on a different chatroom. Would anyone care to rebuke this moron and I will post it in the appropriate place. Thanks!
Conservatives fought tooth and nail
It surprises me what is being called conservative. Unsurprisingly, history is a mixed bag, where conservative vs. "liberal" is concerned—because history is still in process.
To take one example, totalitarianism is not conservative, because treating men like ants instead of other Christs is not a tradition sanctioned by God, the Church, or the Bible.
The noblemen forced King John to sign the Magna Carta to reverse the fact that he had taken away their traditional rights to govern their own people. The 2,000-year-old Catholic church calls the nobles' position "subsidiarity," which is the arrangement whereby authority is exercised at the lowest level practical. On the opposite side, the bomb-throwing, God-hating Left believes passionately in tyranny, as long as they're the tyrants in charge. See the Liberté, Egalité, and Fraternité of the French Revolution and the Russian revolution for how that wonderful new idea worked out. P.S. Tyranny is an old idea.
Copernican theory? Conceived and published by a Catholic canon at the urging of two close friends—a bishop and a cardinal. Luther and the other Reformation types I've read all hated Copernicanism, as it was called, because they saw it as contradicting the language of the Bible. But the Pope at the time of Copernicus, Clement VII, was enthralled by a lecture he heard on Copernicus's heliocentric theory, and had his cardinals write to Copernicus to ask for copies of all his books. One hundred years later, Galileo got into trouble, not because he favored Copernicanism, but because he described some of his own theories (some of which were wrong) as received truth, and for good measure, made fun of his friend and protector, Pope Urban VIII, in print.
Evolution? How about genetics? Devised by a German Augustinian monk named Gregor Mendel using the traditional scientific method—which, by the way, is based on works by Aristotle and St. Thomas Aquinas, a Doctor of the Catholic Church, on logic and philosophy. Evolution is not a science, but a hypothesis, and it's been creaking badly of late.
Independence? The colonists were asserting their traditional rights as Englishmen, which Parliament had been denying them for decades. Etc.
The Soviet revolution was 70 years old when Reagan, Mrs. Thatcher, and John Paul II knocked it on its butt. The Soviet regime was certainly entrenched, with its own, very conservative control of every word publicly uttered. Was Soviet tyranny liberal or conservative? The Communist Party USA was a fully funded subsidiary of the Soviet Communist Party. The CPUSA, officiated by Americans, never deviated from the Soviet Party line between 1920 and 1990. Was the CPUSA conservative or liberal?
The comment you mention is arbitrarily assigning the label of liberal or conservative after the fact, after picking sides for itself and its political enemies of today. The reality is that when something has been in place for a while, it becomes conservative to uphold it. Problems arise when rulers and their rules "conserve" and protect themselves to the point where they stop serving the people under them. Like, say, Democrats and the GOPe today.
So obviously, the Tea Party, because it opposes the Dems and the GOPe, is going to win in the end, because it's liberal! QED.