Posted on 09/22/2015 7:35:22 AM PDT by COUNTrecount
No. You are not hearing me correctly.
If DT is elected president, he will have to work with Congress, regardless of who is in charge of it, in order to get anything done. Just like anyone else.
You said Trump IS the Establishment. You said it twice. It is an incoherent statement.
You raise an interesting angle which is obscured in describing candidates. It would appear that anyone who wants to build a wall is a fraud for a more formidable prevention plan would be to have employers not hire any without proper authorization but that would raise hiring costs and, Lord forbid it, they might have to hire Americans. Let's vote for someone who really wants to prevent foreign hires.
Yes. Trump is part of the establishment. Of course he is. He epitomizes the establishment.
‘DT, btw IS the establishment IMHO.’
Nothing in there about working with the Establishment. Just a bizarrely inaccurate equivalence between Trump and the McConnell, Boehner, Uniparty D.C. Cartel stranglehold on political power.
Either you are incredibly dishonest or you have no earthly idea what conservatives mean by ‘establishment.’
Sorry. Did not mean to imply that DT is the ONLY member of the establishment. There are lots of people in the establishment. Is DT part of the political establishment in DC? No. But he is part of the overall establishment class. He is a wealthy multibillionaire NY developer. He hobnobs with other wealthy developers and financiers and hangs out with establishment politicians including the Clintons. He writes big checks to both parties. To claim that DT is not part of the establishment in this country is simply ridiculous.
I don't think so for his arse is not being kissed and his back is getting stabbed. But a person elected without the proper cadre of advisers will be like Bush without Cheney.
Anyone who is the front runner will have a big target on his back.
Conservatives have been using the term ‘establishment’ for years. It is often abbreviated to GOPe or eGOP. 99.9 of conservatives know what it means.
All of a sudden, in a political context, you want the word to mean, “wealthy businessman.”
There is a psychologically technical term for this, but I’ll refrain. Suffice it to say, ‘incoherent’ is actually the kinder way of expressing it.
Walker is just calling sour grapes when it is walkers own fault he failed. He went with GOPe advisors and that finished him.
Agree! The national stage is not Mississippi, and Brad Dayspring’s illegal race card was never going to be an option against the likes of Trump.
I have a broader definition of establishment. If you are strictly speaking of the political establishment in DC, then yes that includes McConnell and Boehner but not DT. But it is wealthy fat cats like DT who keep their machines well oiled. Consider the following from Investor’s Business Daily:
“Trump is no conservative panacea. Many of his past policy positions, past and present, are a problem, as are his generous donations to Democrats.”
“In fact, his $34,000.00 gift to Democratic campaign committees in the 2006 election cycle helped put Reid and Rep. Nancy Pelosi in power.”
IBD 08/05/2015
Have you ever seen the list of Dems to whom the Koch brothers have generously donated?
Btw, if you want to broaden the definition of establishment far beyond the common, well-established meaning, you should say so up front. That is communication 101.
This “fat cat” reference sounds like class warfare. Liberals would love you for it.
I have no problems with fat cats per se. As long as they aren’t writing checks to the Dems. To my way of thinking any taxpayer or businessman writing checks to the Democrats is like a chicken writing checks to Col. Saunders. As far as the Koch brothers are concerned, I don’t believe any of them are running for POTUS that I am aware of. And yes, if they are writing checks to the Dems, it would be an issue with me.
Is that you, Liz Warren? There is nothing wrong with being a successful businessman. ‘Fat cat,’ otoh, is a pejorative, intended to demean to successful party.
Name me one successful businessman—just one—who hasn’t donated to both parties.
[In a predominantly one party state—such as the Dem strongholds of MA and NY—you *may* find a businessman who has contributed to only the dominant party. Maybe, but I rather doubt it.]
Mitt Romney
Fail. Bain Capital, Romney’s firm, gives more to Dems than to Republicans.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/205025-dems-receive-more-bain-dollars-than-gop
When did MR write a check to the Dems?
As far as Bain, there are a number of Dems that work at the firm, and I would not hold MR accountable for their actions.
When did MR himself ever write a check to a Democrat?
Fall on your own sword in the name of defeating trump. Pull out of the race in the name of killing trump. Take your voice off the table in the name of killing trump. How many more pullouts do we need to finally take that SOB down?
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