[mountainfolk]

I may be mistaken but the last time govt shutdown was a threat by Obama, Ted Cruz was on TV saying that the President was the only person who could shut down the govt. The Republicans refuse to make that point so that the public is aware of the falseness of the accusation that it is they who are forcing the shutdown. Either Obama gets his way or out comes his pen, phone, and edicts.

[rodguy911]

Exactly its a huge cluster and symptomatic of how we lose to the dems over and over and over on issue after issue. They have the political strategy that has been honed out for years while we have nada.