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To: Bob434; mrobisr; metmom
Well said in #118. We are responsible for integrating into a comprehensible whole all of Scripture.

Another way to understand the verses which seem to exhort believers to continue or lose is to understand, first, the underlying premise that salvation is by grace and is therefore unearned, meaning it cannot be un-unearned; therefore, verses which seem to suggest otherwise are, instead, assuming eternal security and merely encouraging behavior to match.

127 posted on 09/21/2015 9:32:19 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

Or, better or more behavior (there will always be SOME).


128 posted on 09/21/2015 9:34:34 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

Actually... responsible for understanding it.

For that you need a set of appropriate premises. And they are not at all flattering to religionists. We aren’t just not great shakes. We’re terrible shakes. And God’s love is not just passing or fickle. It’s shed abroad from the heroic Cross.


130 posted on 09/21/2015 9:36:25 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Hebrews 11:6; Bob434; metmom

Was Lucifer saved? Yes

Did Lucifer fall? Yes

Until you can reconcile this your doctrine doesn’t exist.


147 posted on 09/21/2015 1:46:39 PM PDT by mrobisr
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