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To: SkyPilot

There is no doubt that politically, Pope Francis and I have very little in common. I don’t know whether he will end up being an effective pope or an ineffective pope. What I do know, is that he IS the one whom God chose to lead His church in these times.

I also know there is a growing schismatic movement in place right now, and it will succeed in driving many good people from the protection of His church. The evil one is encouraging devout Catholics who are also politically conservative to judge Pope Francis by his leanings on things like “global warming” and “extreme capitalism” (whatever that is). On the most damaging issues from the left, abortion, homosexuality, spiritual relativism, he is rock-ribbed and steadfast.

He has done nothing to change church doctrine, nor will he, nor can he.

Matthew 16: 18“I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.”

To say Pope Francis is the beast, is to say the institution Jesus called His church has been overpowered by the gates of Hades. Surely you’re not saying Jesus was wrong about that, are you?

Pope Francis not the one progressing the coming schism. Those who are too lazy, too ignorant or too proud to differentiate between politics and the eternal battle for human souls are.

For the sake of all you who are advancing this bilge, I pray these posts don’t lead to the loss of even one soul to our Heavenly Father — even if it is unintentional.

Put down your Dan Brown novel and pick up a bible.


16 posted on 09/18/2015 1:29:51 PM PDT by Osama Obama
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To: Osama Obama
What I do know, is that he IS the one whom God chose to lead His church in these times.

You make two assumptions. One, that only the Catholic church is the only and one true church of Jesus Christ, and two, that God's plan revolves around Jorge being a force for good.

Both are false.

Just who is Jesus speaking of in these verses?

"These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. 15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see. 19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent.

Revelation 3: 15-19

God also has allowed Hitler, Pol Pot, and Nero into power. God is sovereign. But He also uses what is evil to be good for His ultimate purposes. He also puts in place kings and rulers, and sends them to destruction. He also allows Satan his short time to rule. Right now, the "Prince of the air" is wandering the earth, and causing much evil. Even Jesus was tempted by Satan's earthly power (temporal as it is):

" "And the Devil, taking him up into a high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him: All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them, for that is delivered unto me, and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. And Jesus answered and said unto him: Get thee behind me, Satan, for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.”

Luke 4: 5-8

I also know there is a growing schismatic movement in place right now, and it will succeed in driving many good people from the protection of His church.

There you go again with a previous error.

The evil one is encouraging devout Catholics who are also politically conservative to judge Pope Francis by his leanings on things like “global warming” and “extreme capitalism” (whatever that is).

If you cannot discern evil from good, then you don't have the Holy Spirit.

"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

1 Corinthians 2:12-14

On the most damaging issues from the left, abortion, homosexuality, spiritual relativism, he is rock-ribbed and steadfast.

Wow. Just wow. Do you even read the news?

He has done nothing to change church doctrine, nor will he, nor can he.

Watch what he does with his Encyclical and Synods coming up, and get back to me.

Catholic "Doctrine" is also not based on the rock of Scripture, but whatever the Vatican says it is. There are so many examples of this that if I listed them all, I would be typing all night, and I don't have time to do your homework for you.

To say Pope Francis is the beast, is to say the institution Jesus called His church has been overpowered by the gates of Hades. Surely you’re not saying Jesus was wrong about that, are you?

Wrong assumptions, again, based on fundamental errors in your thinking. One, the true church of Christ is never defeated, but it is bruised and persecuted. Open your eyes. Millions of Christians are persecuted every day, and tens of thousands are raped, mutilated, imprisoned, tortured, and martyred each year (and those numbers are increasing). I don't think Jorge is the Antichrist, I think he may be the False Prophet of Revelation. And again, you make the error that the Catholic church is the "one true" church - and it isn't. You also falsely believe the lie that Matthew 16: 18 gives the Roman popes succession of sole authority, and that is not what the Scriptures say.

http://www.graceway.com/articles/article_017.html

To say Pope Francis is the beast, is to say the institution Jesus called His church has been overpowered by the gates of Hades. Surely you’re not saying Jesus was wrong about that, are you?

See above.

For the sake of all you who are advancing this bilge, I pray these posts don’t lead to the loss of even one soul to our Heavenly Father — even if it is unintentional.

I pray that people stop being deceived. But it is happening. We are in the period the Bible warns about as the Last Days, and deception is widespread and rampant.

"Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons."

1 Timothy 4:1

Put down your Dan Brown novel and pick up a bible.

I have never read any of that trash, or watched any of those films, but I did pick up my Bible (see above). I urge you to take your own advice.

Further, Jorge and Obama are about to declare war on Israel, the Jews, and side with Pali Muslims and the world. Jorge already has recognized "Palestine" and is working to divide God's land (look up those Scriptures Osama Obama). There will be war against God's people. You and your posts help bring on that evil.


18 posted on 09/18/2015 2:16:34 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Osama Obama; SkyPilot
"He [Pope Francis] has done nothing to change church doctrine, nor will he, nor can he."

Exactly.

22 posted on 09/18/2015 2:23:31 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Semper Fi.)
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To: Osama Obama

What I do know, is that he IS the one whom God chose to lead His church in these times.
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Umm! That is not true. He (the pope) is the one whom God ‘ALLOWED’ to be chosen.

Each and every one of those Bishops has free will, for good or for evil. As did Judas (unrepentant) and Peter (repented.)

Confusion has over-shadowed the Church.

Why has this pope been so silent?

Why has he hand picked these REBELLIOUS Bishops?

He IS surrounding himself with those who HATE CHRIST and love the world. Christs Church can never, ever be of this world.

Evil is trying to destroy the Church from within and from those enemies of Christ in the world.

Are we so blind that we cannot see?


24 posted on 09/18/2015 2:39:35 PM PDT by billys kid (My beloved is mine and I am thine...)
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To: Osama Obama; jafojeffsurf

You are being handed the truth if you choose not to believe what you can research with your own little fingers Jesus will judge you accordingly. You can plead ignorance no more here it is what you do with it determines your soul’s place in the Heavenly Realms,
How many verses does it take for and RC to get the message that Jesus Christ is our ROCK, not some sinful man! When the Word of God says something once he means it, when he says something twice he really means it, and three or more time he’s trying to drive the point clean through your bone to the marrow!

Matthew 16:18
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And I tell you that you are Peter (4074 [e], Petros) , and on this rock (4073 [e], Petra)
I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

1 Corinthians 10:4
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and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock (4073 [e], Petras) that accompanied them, and that rock (4073 [e], Petra) was Christ.

1 Peter 2:8
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and, “A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock (4073 [e], Petra) that makes them fall.” They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for.

Matthew 14:28
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“Lord, if it’s you,” Peter (4074 [e], Petros) replied, “tell me to come to you on the water.”

Deuteronomy 32:4
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He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.

Deuteronomy 32:15
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Jeshurun grew fat and kicked; filled with food, they became heavy and sleek. They abandoned the God who made them and rejected the Rock their Savior.
Deuteronomy 32:18
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You deserted the Rock, who fathered you; you forgot the God who gave you birth.
Deuteronomy 32:30
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How could one man chase a thousand, or two put ten thousand to flight, unless their Rock had sold them, unless the LORD had given them up?
Deuteronomy 32:31
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For their rock is not like our Rock, as even our enemies concede.
Deuteronomy 32:37
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He will say: “Now where are their gods, the rock they took refuge in,
1 Samuel 2:2
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“There is no one holy like the LORD; there is no one besides you; there is no Rock like our God.

2 Samuel 22:2
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He said: “The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer;
2 Samuel 22:3
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my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation. He is my stronghold, my refuge and my savior— from violent people you save me.
2 Samuel 22:32
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For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?
2 Samuel 22:47
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“The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be my God, the Rock, my Savior!
2 Samuel 23:3
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The God of Israel spoke, the Rock of Israel said to me: ‘When one rules over people in righteousness, when he rules in the fear of God,
Psalm 18:2
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The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.
Psalm 18:31
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For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?
Psalm 18:46
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The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God my Savior!
Psalm 19:14
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May these words of my mouth and this meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.
Psalm 28:1
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Of David. To you, LORD, I call; you are my Rock, do not turn a deaf ear to me. For if you remain silent, I will be like those who go down to the pit.

Psalm 31:2
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Turn your ear to me, come quickly to my rescue; be my rock of refuge, a strong fortress to save me.
Psalm 31:3
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Since you are my rock and my fortress, for the sake of your name lead and guide me.
Psalm 42:9
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I say to God my Rock, “Why have you forgotten me? Why must I go about mourning, oppressed by the enemy?”
Psalm 62:2
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Truly he is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will never be shaken.
Psalm 62:6
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Truly he is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will not be shaken.
Psalm 62:7
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My salvation and my honor depend on God; he is my mighty rock, my refuge.
Psalm 71:3
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Be my rock of refuge, to which I can always go; give the command to save me, for you are my rock and my fortress.
Psalm 78:35
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They remembered that God was their Rock, that God Most High was their Redeemer.
Psalm 89:26
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He will call out to me, ‘You are my Father, my God, the Rock my Savior.’
Psalm 92:15
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proclaiming, “The LORD is upright; he is my Rock, and there is no wickedness in him.”
Psalm 94:22
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But the LORD has become my fortress, and my God the rock in whom I take refuge.
Psalm 95:1
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Come, let us sing for joy to the LORD; let us shout aloud to the Rock of our salvation.
Psalm 144:1
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Of David. Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.
Isaiah 8:14
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He will be a holy place; for both Israel and Judah he will be a stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall. And for the people of Jerusalem he will be a trap and a snare.
Isaiah 17:10
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You have forgotten God your Savior; you have not remembered the Rock, your fortress. Therefore, though you set out the finest plants and plant imported vines,
Isaiah 26:4
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Trust in the LORD forever, for the LORD, the LORD himself, is the Rock eternal.
Isaiah 30:29
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And you will sing as on the night you celebrate a holy festival; your hearts will rejoice as when people playing pipes go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the Rock of Israel.

Isaiah 44:8
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Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.”
Isaiah 51:1
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“Listen to me, you who pursue righteousness and who seek the LORD: Look to the rock from which you were cut and to the quarry from which you were hewn;

Habakkuk 1:12
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LORD, are you not from everlasting? My God, my Holy One, you will never die. You, LORD, have appointed them to execute judgment; you, my Rock, have ordained them to punish.


35 posted on 09/18/2015 4:29:52 PM PDT by mrobisr
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