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Rotten Fruits of Pope Francis: schism, rebellion, and approval of Iran nuke deal
Fellowship Of The Minds ^ | 9/17/2015 | Dr. Eowyn

Posted on 09/18/2015 12:24:46 PM PDT by HomerBohn

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To: SkyPilot
Pope Francis has not changed, will not change, and cannot change Catholic doctrine.

Now, what he could change is not doctrine, but praxis. Actual on-the-ground pastoral practice. Which is almost as bad as changing doctrine, because the doctrine remains in the catechism and the catechism remains on the shelf, and the dust accumulates on the unused shelves of the library while souls are lost by the millions because of bad pastoral practice.

So don't think I don't see the danger. It is all rather horrible.

A couple of years ago, Frances Kissling, when she was still president of Catholics for Choice, that hell-proud apostate coven, admitted to me that she knew Catholic doctrine on abortion would never change --- but that was OK with her: all she had to do is get it to be ignored.

And one way to do that was to honor the sanctity of unborn life (on occasion, maybe once a year) as a bit of utopianism which, though lovely, could never be attained; you know, an aspirational ideal which we could not and should not impose on people.

Aspirational ideal. That shrewd hag was probably, in her cynicism, correct. Forget doctrine. Forget dogma. Nobody cares about that anyhow. All of Matthew 5 - 6 - 7 is pretty much relegated to aspirational ideal. Hallmark Cards, not Commandments. We'll put the sanctity of the babies' lives there as well. We can put the Hallmark Cards in the abortion clinics. That way we nod at the sentiment, can the commandment, and do what we want.

Yeah, that'll work. All the way to the final horror.

41 posted on 09/18/2015 6:55:01 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Semper Fi.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Pope Francis has not changed, will not change, and cannot change Catholic doctrine.

Yes, he did. You just refuse to endorse reality.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/faith/article4541549.ece

Again, what are you hiding behind? Is he the "Vicar of Christ on Earth!" or is the Marxist False Prophet someone you are ashamed of? Choose a side please. My goodness. My children and nieces and nephews are more mature than you are.

Now, what he could change is not doctrine, but praxis.

Well that is comforting. Well, not really. Seriously, are you OK? Are you on medication?

What kind of medication?

So don't think I don't see the danger.

Yes, I see that you are lost. Lost. Completely.

I really cannot get through the rest of your post. I feel I am dealing with an irrational person.

Best of luck to you!

42 posted on 09/18/2015 7:31:12 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: HomerBohn
I think that finger thing with the African queen is definitely a gay thing....

he's gay...he's a muzzie...he's not an American citizen...there, I said it all...

43 posted on 09/18/2015 9:14:33 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Buckeye McFrog

the annulment is sort of a scam....it makes the rabble leap thru rings of fire but if you’re a Kennedy, its a wink and a nod....


44 posted on 09/18/2015 9:16:23 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Uversabound

granted I’m not a very good Catholic church wise, but how I long for the old days....you knew what was good and what was bad...you knew right from wrong...you knew you had certain responsibilities.


45 posted on 09/18/2015 9:18:08 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Mrs. Don-o
One other thing that bothers me. You would think that the "Vicar of Chris on Earth!" would spend some time promoting the Gospel of Jesus Christ. In fact, that is what Jesus calls us to do.

How is Jorge doing?

Very poorly. In fact, he does not talk about the Gospel at all.

What kind of Christian is this? He is supposed to be a Christian, yes?

Cam you pull his speeches for next week and show me where he talks about the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

46 posted on 09/19/2015 12:00:55 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: cherry

But yet, America has to continue on with a gigantic albatross around its neck.


47 posted on 09/19/2015 5:27:45 AM PDT by HomerBohn (Liberals and slinkies: they're good for nothing, but you smile as you shove them down the stairs.)
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To: terycarl

I am still a member of Christ’s Church on earth. I am a sedevacantist.


48 posted on 09/19/2015 5:29:50 AM PDT by HomerBohn (Liberals and slinkies: they're good for nothing, but you smile as you shove them down the stairs.)
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To: terycarl

Since this ‘pontiff’ reins over an institution that is clearly not Catholic and amounts to the establishment of an entirely new heretic form of religion, many of us feel that we don’t belong there.

Our presence is a sign that we approve of Vatican II whose actions led us to this now thoroughly evil ‘pontiff.’


49 posted on 09/19/2015 5:33:15 AM PDT by HomerBohn (Liberals and slinkies: they're good for nothing, but you smile as you shove them down the stairs.)
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To: RetiredArmy
Jesus Christ does not need the help.

He did appoint St. Peter and his legitimate successors to be the rock upon which He built his Church.

This current occupant of Peter's throne is not Catholic, nor is he Christian and is the final insult hurled at the few true faithful as a result of Vatican II. All that has happened since II is a refutation of Christ.

50 posted on 09/19/2015 5:38:37 AM PDT by HomerBohn (Liberals and slinkies: they're good for nothing, but you smile as you shove them down the stairs.)
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To: SkyPilot
We are making a mistake, SkyPilot, if we assume that the media coverage Pope Francis gets is directed or selected by Francis himself or his staff. On the contrary, it is directed and selected by the editors and publishers of the inveterately secular media, which so often earns its nickname, the "EneMedia".

Has it never occurred to you, my respected friend, that if you were pope (bear with me in this absurd example) the Washington Post would quote everything you said about Ruth Ginsberg, "Fabulous" Fanning, the UN, the RAF, and the Brewster Buffalo --- edited toward two ends, either to make you sound foolish, OR edited to make it sound like you agreed with them ---- and wouldn't quote a single thing you said about Jesus Christ Our Lord?

Don't you realize they'll skim through pages of Jesus-talk to get to the one or two necessarily non-Jesusy things they would consider newsworthy?

The media lie by shading and framing, by molding and pinching, by manipulative paraphrasing, by tendentious captioning, and by omission, and we need to be wise about their lies.

Pope Francis' video message to 2nd Theological Congress (Sept 4)

“Doctrine is not a closed, private system deprived of dynamics able to raise questions and doubts. On the contrary, Christian doctrine has a face, a body, flesh; He is called Jesus Christ and it is His Life that is offered from generation to generation to all men and in all places”.

The theologian is a believer. The theologian is someone who has experience of Jesus Christ and has discovered he cannot live without Him. ... The theologian knows that he cannot live without the object / subject of his love, and devotes his life to sharing this with his brothers."

Jesus shows us the path to freedom, not success, Pope says (article on his Sep 13 talk)

"By announcing that he must suffer and die, Jesus is making it clear to his followers that he is a Messiah who is a humble servant, and who obeys his Father even to the point of dying on a cross," Francis said.

The Pope then recounted how Jesus gathered the crowd along with his disciples, and told them that whoever wants to follow him must also become a servant, and “deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me.”

To imitate Jesus in his servantly role and to follow him isn’t easy, Pope Francis observed, and requires a strong union with the Lord, an “attentive and diligent listening to his Word, (and) the grace of the sacraments.”

Pope Francis: "Jesus is the bread of life"

To meet and to welcome Jesus, “the bread of life” – Pope Francis concluded – gives meaning and hope to our lives that are sometimes tortuous; but this “bread of life” – he said - also gives us the duty to satisfy the spiritual and material needs of our brothers.

"To do this" – he said- "we must announce the Gospel everywhere, and with the witness of a fraternal attitude of solidarity towards our neighbor, we can make Christ and his love present amongst men."

Pope Francis: Jesus Shows Us His Mercy by Teaching Us The Truth

"Yet the people discover where Jesus goes, and follow him." And here, Pope Francis said, the evangelist “offers us an image of Jesus of unique intensity, ‘taking a snaphot’ of his eyes, as it were, and capturing the sentiments of his heart.”

The evangelist says: “As he landed he saw a great throng, and he had compassion on them, because they were like sheep without a shepherd; and he began to teach them many things” (v. 34)."

The Holy Father called the the three verbs used by St. Mark — to see, to have compassion, and to teach — the “verbs of the Shepherd.” Jesus does not look on the people as a “sociologist or a photojournalist,” he said. Instead, “he always looks with ‘the eyes of the heart’.”

Pope Francis: Jesus is the secret of a Christian’s benevolence

“A Christian is a person who opens up his or her heart with this spirit of benevolence, because he or she has “all”: Jesus Christ. The other things are “nothing”. Some are good, they have a purpose, but in the moment of choice he or she always chooses “all”, with that meekness, that Christian meekness that is the sign of Jesus’ disciples: meekness and benevolence. To live like this is not easy, because you really do receive slaps! And on both cheeks! But a Christian is meek, a Christian is benevolent: he or she opens up his or her heart. Sometimes we come across these Christians with little hearts, with shrunken hearts…. This is not Christianity: this is selfishness, masked as Christianity”.

“A true Christian” – the Pope continued – “knows how to solve this bi-polar opposition, this tension that exists between “all” and “nothing”, just as Jesus has taught us: “First search for God’s Kingdom and its justice, the rest comes afterwards”.

Pope Francis: Jesus ‘Rocks Our World’

“The words of Jesus always rock our world,” he said, because they challenge the ways of secular society. And Jesus knew right off the bat they were those among his disciples “who do not believe,” Francis said, and so they left him. And yet, “faced with these defections, Jesus does not back down and does not soften his words. Indeed He forces us to make a clear choice: either to be with Him or separated from Him, and so He said to the Twelve: ‘Will you go away too?’” It is Peter, Francis said, who makes his profession of faith on behalf of the other Apostles: “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.” The Pope underscored that Jesus does not say “where shall we go?,” but “to whom shall we go?” From Peter’s question, the Pope continued, “we understand that loyalty to God is a matter of loyalty to a person to whom we are bound to walk together on the same road. And this person is Jesus.”

Pope Francis: 'Jesus Loves Us Without Limits'

“Jesus loves us, without limits, always, until the end,” the Pope said. “The love of God for us doesn't have limits. There is always more, always more. He never tires of loving anyone.”

Francis emphasized that Jesus gave his life for each person by name, saying, “Each one of us can say, 'He gave his life for me.' Each one. His love is like this: personal!”

I only pause here from the need to be reasonably brief. I could post a different selection of Pope Francis'"Jesus-talks" every day for months, and never run out.

Don't FReepers know this? Can we, as FReepers, be media-savvy enough to understand this? I am embarrassed by the level of obtuseness around here sometimes.

51 posted on 09/19/2015 8:14:09 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Semper Fi.)
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To: mrobisr; Osama Obama

Well mrobisr I’m not here to debate you, this subject has been debated ad nauseum, So God Bless you on your Journey, As for My Family and Myself I will Follow the Lord and the Church he left on Earth, His Body and Bride.


52 posted on 09/19/2015 8:49:51 AM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
We are making a mistake, SkyPilot, if we assume that the media coverage Pope Francis gets is directed or selected by Francis himself or his staff. On the contrary, it is directed and selected by the editors and publishers of the inveterately secular media, which so often earns its nickname, the "EneMedia".

Oh please Mrs. Don-O. Please do not insult my intelligence. From the very start of your post you wish to place the blame for Jorge's blasphemy against Scripture on the "media." It is pathetic, and it is something I will not tolerate.

53 posted on 09/19/2015 10:43:08 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: SkyPilot
If you will not "tolerate" my point of view we're clearly at the end of the discussion.

Until next time, peace be with you.

54 posted on 09/19/2015 11:17:44 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Semper Fi.)
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To: SkyPilot

LOL, like you’ve read everything he’s written.


55 posted on 09/19/2015 11:24:49 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Until next time, peace be with you.

And you. I pray you come to the real Jesus Christ and leave the cult.

56 posted on 09/19/2015 12:35:41 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
LOL, like you’ve read everything he’s written.

Who has written what? Would you like me to read something? Send it to me, or post it please. Thanks.

57 posted on 09/19/2015 12:36:37 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
By the way, your failure to even respond to this basic question made me lose any respect I had for you:

One other thing that bothers me. You would think that the "Vicar of Chris on Earth!" would spend some time promoting the Gospel of Jesus Christ. In fact, that is what Jesus calls us to do. How is Jorge doing? Very poorly. In fact, he does not talk about the Gospel at all. What kind of Christian is this? He is supposed to be a Christian, yes? Can you pull his speeches for next week and show me where he talks about the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

58 posted on 09/19/2015 12:46:12 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: SkyPilot; don-o
He is supposed to be a Christian, yes? Can you pull his speeches for next week and show me where he talks about the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

Link to papal homilies at Vatican Radio.

Nothing unusual.

59 posted on 09/19/2015 12:56:47 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: SkyPilot
Now I'm truly perplexed.

Did you miss the last 15 paragraphs of my post at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3338486/posts?page=51#51M/a>

??

That's where I'm quoting paragraphs from 7 different recent occasions where Pope Francis was talking about Our Lord Jesus Christ. This was to correct your impression that Pope Francis "Does not talk about the Gospel at all."

So, what it looks like form where I'm sitting, is that first you charged that Pope Francis never talks about Chirst; then I quoted seven recent occasions where the Pope preached extensively on Christ; then you tell me you have lost all respect because did not "respond to your basic question"?

I really am perplexed. What did you think those 7 links, with the 15 paragraph excerpts, were about?

In point of fact,Pope Francis preaches about Christ every single day, in his homilies based on the daily Gospel readings at the weekday Masses at St. Martha's guest house, where he lives.

So, what is your objection?

60 posted on 09/19/2015 1:35:46 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Semper Fi.)
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