Posted on 09/16/2015 2:11:44 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
CNN's ' Live' feed of the debate
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Yeah, I cringed at a few times at Donald’s replies.
Still, I think he did alright.
I thought many of Rubio’s remarks were really good, as were Huckleberry’s. Kase-itch, Walker and Bush were awful—so much self-promotion! Very cringe-worthy!
I thought Cris Crispy did well with his answers this time.
And I agree with Paul about both the 10th and 14th amendments. I don’t want him to be president, but we should applaud this in light of the media that never defends let alone explains our Constitution.
Fiorina did well for herself but not as great as some say.
Cruz didn’t have one bad answer—every time he spoke it was right on target.
Despite all this, it was obvious that this debate was set up by CNN to “get” Trump. You’d have to be a blind man to not see that. So—that actually helped Donald’s performance. While I didn’t give him high marks for his debate skills, it really doesn’t hurt him because of this factor.
Anyway, my final analysis:
Bush -35
Carson - 75
Christie - 80
Cruz - 100
Fiorina - 90
Huckabee - 85
Kasich - 25
Paul - 45
Rubio - 95
Walker - 45
Trump - 70
That’s because they took it. I noticed both of them and, I think, Rubio just jumping into the fray. I couldn’t understand why others didn’t do that.
I’ll be honest with you, though. In the same way that I think the GOP has been a failure that leaves me saying, “This is the best we’ve got?”, this presidential selection process that we have has failed.
It has brought us Romney, McCain, Dole, and, probably another GOP establishment candidate.
Anyone who thinks this is the way the Founders envisioned selecting a president must think they were drunks glorying in media stardom.
Ideally, at our local, district level we would be promoting our ‘local area’s number one citizen in the hearts of his countrymen’ as our representative to an electoral college.
Trump bashers need to get it through their heads that the other candidates come across like mere policy wonks when they chirp and flutter around him with their polished, precise answers.
We don’t need or want more polished policy wonks. THEY NEVER DELIVER. After so many years of polite, politically correct failure, we need and want a vicious, ruthless asshole who will round up and deport the swarms of wetback invaders, nuke the living goat piss out of ISIS, and beat the crap out of China in the trade war.
That’s when we’ll start to see some real much-needed politeness for a change, except it will be toward the U.S., from our opponents.
I agree 100%
Can you sum it up, no way I can do that :)
Dude, get a life. :)
Wow...good for you!
Authentic? Anecdotal perhaps, but not necessarily proven to be true. I notice that Trump likes to tell these anecdotal stories but never with any details to back them up.
The vaccine/autism link has been thoroughly debunked and there is no medical/scientific evidence that spacing out vaccinations over time is preferable to the current schedule and in fact spacing out important vaccinations put children at greater risk of contracting preventable and sometimes debilitating and deadly diseases.
"You take this little beautiful baby, and you pump— I mean, it looks just like it is meant for a horse, not for a child, and we had so many instances, people that work for me, just the other day, 2-years old, beautiful child went to have the vaccine and came back and a week later got a tremendous fever, got very, very sick, now is autistic."- Donald Trump
First of all correlation does not necessarily imply causation.
Next - is Trump lying in saying that the 2 year old child of one of his employees got a “tremendous fever” a week after getting a vaccination and is now autistic? Don’t know. But a reaction to a vaccination tends to happen in the 1st 24 to 48 hours, although sometimes within 5-12 days. Also it should be noted that children sometimes get high fevers for many reasons and it could have nothing to do with the vaccination (and I note Trump doesn’t mention what vaccine or combination vaccine was given to this employee’s “beautiful” 2 year old child – and with Trump – people are always either “beautiful” or “ugly”, what difference does the child’s appearance have to do with it and I doubt very much Trump ever saw this kid in person – just saying). And FWIW, the child could have gotten sick from any number of viruses not covered by any vaccine and sometimes kids at that age will suddenly get a high fever for no known reason and with no other symptoms and be perfectly fine the next day. Some kids and adults do spike a fever after getting some vaccinations, but again, these are typically mild and only last a day or two with in most cases, with no lasting effects.
Also autism doesn’t, contrary to what the anti-vax people say, suddenly display overnight or come out of nowhere, rather subtitle behavioral clues are seen developing over time although some parents refuse to recognize that their child is anything less than perfect and ignore them. OTOH, some parents see every little thing as a sign of a problem where none exists and demand a diagnosis like being on the “autism spectrum” or having ADHD that confirms their suspicions where their child’s behaviors and personality traits could well be perfectly normal. IMO and observations, some parents use this as an excuse for not actually parenting and disciplining their child’s bad behaviors in favor of making excuses for it and demanding special accommodations for them.
It is also worth mentioning that the age when most children start displaying signs of “autism” or on the “autism spectrum” or being diagnosed with ADHD, is at the very same age range when they are getting vaccinated but again, correlation does not necessarily imply causation. The 2 to 3 age range is also the age range when kids start testing their boundaries and having temper tantrums or suddenly become picky eaters, but no one says (for the most part) that vaccines cause this.
Also it is unusual and somewhat controversial to get a definitive diagnosis of autism before the age of 3 years old but since the “autism spectrum” has been so much expanded, much like as with ADHD diagnosis, it is no wonder that so many kids are being diagnosed (and often misdiagnosed) with either; diagnosed sometimes for displaying rather normal behaviors, especially in the case of boys or even high intelligence of either gender.
I’ve seen this in my own family. My niece and her husband have triplets girls; the girls were born 3 months pre-mature and as with a lot of premies and especially with multiples, they lagged somewhat behind in some of their development milestones – in motor skills (were late to crawl and walk) and speech and language skills compared to full term babies of their same age.
They were eligible for getting help from an “Early Intervention” program and had speech and physical therapists come to their home several times a week to work with the girls. For the most part, the therapy was positive but one of the therapists told my niece and her husband that one of the triplets – Lilly, at only 12 months old, was probably “autistic” and or had ADHD. And what did she base this diagnosis on? Well Lilly didn’t like getting bullied by her other triplet sisters, having her toys taken away by them and such, so rather than confronting them and doing what the other two did, like hitting and biting and crying when they didn’t get their way (and yes, kids of that age can act animals if you don’t intervene and teach them right from wrong, but sometimes parents also have to let them fight it out and work it out on their own).
So Lilly rather than fighting, would just take some toys and go off by herself to a far corner and quiet side of the room, far away from her sisters and play by herself. But what Lilly did was to also gather toys of the same type, like all the animal toys or toys of the same or similar color or shape, building blocks and Legos for instance and she would sort and arrange them by size, color, shape, etc. over and over again – she could happily occupy herself for hours on end doing this. One of the therapists saw Lilly’s behaviors and interest in arranging things of the same type, shape or color as being an early sign of autism or on the “autism spectrum” – “patterning” as she called of ADHC, it was according to her, a very ‘bad sign”, and she wanted to do additional therapy with her and refer her to a doctor specializing in autism and ADHD.
But what Lilly was doing actually was a sign of high intelligence IMO and her parents agreed and didn’t’ want her to be stigmatized with a false diagnoses and her creativity stifled or medicated away as a result. And she wasn’t anti-social as she would play with her sisters and would share toys with them as I and her parents observed, but she just didn’t have the patience for them when they wouldn’t play nice with her and would much rather go play by herself when they wouldn’t play nice.
Today Lilly is in the 2nd grade and is doing extremely well in school especially in math. Lilly does have her own personality however; she has a strong personality and doesn’t put up with other kids bullying her or her sisters, and she loves Legos for instance and creates some really amazing and very complex things with them, she’s also a bit of a tomboy” compared to her triplet sisters, she is really good at running and in playing sports and she likes toy cars and playing with Nerf guns with her older brother rather than playing with dolls and she has said recently that she wants to be an engineer or an architect when she grows up. And good for her!
Finally the statement that “and you pump— I mean, it looks just like it is meant for a horse” is totally false and complete BS. The size of the needle given and the amount of fluid in a single dose vaccine vs. a combination vaccine are totally indistinguishable.
Trump needs to stay on message. He undermines his own position when he says we can expedite the return of the good ones after they have been deported. Trump fails to link immigration, legal and illegal, with jobs and employment. It is all spelled out in his position paper. Why isn't he using it?
There is no doubt Trump is driving the issues in the Presidential campaign. He just needs to do some more homework on those issues to flesh out his positions.
One thing that Trump did last night was brilliant. He raised the issue of NK, which actually presents a more immediate danger than Iran. No doubt Jeb did not appreciate it since he brother was in office when NK finally got the weapon. The Clinton administration and Madeline Halfbright set the stage with their stupid agreement with NK that was violated. NK is the perfect example of why you can't negotiate with thugs. We are now following the same template in Iran.
Well said and if I might add 'prosecute the sh*t out of ALL the treasonous lawbreakers currently residing within our federal government'.
Trump bashers need to get it through their heads that the other candidates come across like mere policy wonks when they chirp and flutter around him with their polished, precise answers.
We don’t need or want more polished policy wonks. THEY NEVER DELIVER. After so many years of polite, politically correct failure, we need and want a vicious, ruthless asshole who will round up and deport the swarms of wetback invaders, nuke the living goat piss out of ISIS, and beat the crap out of China in the trade war.
That’s when we’ll start to see some real much-needed politeness for a change, except it will be toward the U.S., from our opponents.
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Whenever I hear the, “The base is angry argument,” I cringe. Anger may be a component for some; but, this movement runs much, much deeper than anger, which the GOPe refuses to take into account.
One of the main reasons that Trump resonates with me is that he strikes me as a man of action— proven by the fact he is a self-made billionaire. Seriously something so significant can only be accomplished by an extraordinary individual brilliantly surrounding themselves with the best in their respective fields, which Trump continually states he does. No mean feat. And this transitions into what I really see in Trump and that is leadership. And as a leader he is taking the hits and holding up just fine under the GOPe endless assaults hoping to sink him. Actually the GOPe is a little slow. Where’s the National Enquirer story about the, Special Needs, alien love child he abandoned, and never paid child support for.
Back to the GOP. Maybe the establishment is reading this post for grins and giggles. Well grin at this guys: You lost me after the third or forth broken promise just after my vote and my money helped deliver the house to you. Afterwards, fed up and sickened that I’d been suckered, I sat back and watched the lies, the continual pandering for votes, the “We just need one more majority argument to repeal Obamacare,” and the rest of the BS........ So for those of you establishment types hell bent on pinning the liberal label on Trump, along with liar, fake conservative, self-serving——yada yada yada, tell me, if that is true then what is the difference between Trump and you? A big fat nothing. At least Trump demonstrates action. Guess I’m willing to give him what’s left of my trust along with my vote. I only hope he selects Ted Cruz as his Veep. Well that ought to make you hurl your Cherrios.
Thanks IChing for posting a reply that got me motivated to write this.
You just happened to be right after someone that was outraged
I was wondering what Trumps position was on vaccinations. I am glad he has a “personal story” to understand there is a connection with autism and vaccinations. I know that Ben Carson is a Pro-Vax type, since he is on the board of a vaccine manufacturer. He would probably support mandatory vaccinations of all, including adults.
Cruz on the other hand is all about the Constitution so I don’t think he will try to force people to vaccinate. I don’t believe the government has any business telling people they “must vaccinate”, it is our God given right to decide what medical procedures we have.
I DVR’d the tape so I know exactly what was said and when. Trump said the vacs should be spread out over a longer period of time with smaller dosages for infants. Carson agreed to what Trump said and got the quip in the quip, “He’s an OK doctor.” (Ha, very funny. Both Carson and Trump laughed at that.)
I for one do not think a tiny baby requires all those vacs before they are one year old. Me personally, I would wait until the child is one year old. I feel sorry for parents who have to send their infants to daycare which requires that their infant babies take all those vacs when so young.
Well said, navymom1!
Yeah, that too!
You're correct, the government has no right to force you to vaccinate. Conversely, schools (public and private) have every right to refuse to accept unvaccinated children, and employers (public and private) have every right not to hire unvaccinated employees.
If you want to accept pseudoscientific quackery, have at it, just don't complain when nobody wants your unvaccinated kids or you at their institutions as walking Typhoid Marys.
The thing about Fiorina is that when she puts on the mask (or dons the armor, if one likes) and comes in prepared, she can look and sound pretty convincing. But underneath...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XtPMq9xxOY
(It’s not so much what she says, but how she says it. Maybe some women consider it par for the course(?), but I suspect most men are repulsed.)
With Trump, other than I suspect that off camera perhaps his language gets a bit more, ah, “colorful”, like him or not, my sense is what you see is what you get. It’s also noteworthy that he’s been highly “visible” for a long time.
It’d be very interesting to poll former employees of both on non-political questions, essentially around the topics of how the two were regarded as employers, integrity, respect, etc. I realize that sometimes employees have a jaundiced view, but, on the other hand, my experience is that usually, employers that succeed over the long run value their employees, and treat them accordingly. A similar “poll” with a bit different questions could be run among Trump’s and Fiorina’s business associates.
Last, for better or worse, Carly has been mostly a politician / GOPe for some time now... Her argument of being an “outsider” seems pretty weak, to me. So, while gaining experience, contacts / inside Party support, and such, and (one would think) prone to fewer campaign mistakes, she may be vulnerable to Trump, this go-round, on that point.
You know nothing about me. Try again.
You know nothing of me, why did you have to fly off the handle at my comments about Kelly to another poster
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