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To: Fhios
Had Congress not acted, not voted it would just amount to a Presidential agreement -- which has been pretty well fleshed out in several Supreme Court decisions, but unless actually funded by Congress, money can't be spent.

You don't get it. Obama needs this agreement to be run thru Congress so he can get the Congressional imposed sanctions lifted. If he tries to do it himself, he is disobeying the law. Maybe the GOP controlled Congress will roll over and allow him to do it. Maybe not.

Congress should not take up the agreement until it sees the side agreements, which was part of what the Corker bill provides.

This whole 'inversion vote' ... the one we are either supposed to believe the GOPe was tricked into agreeing too, or that they actually thought it was a good idea in the name of fairness? Poppycock. It was mutually agreed upon by both elected party leaders to pass this. The GOPe couldn't appear to give in, yet wanted the agreement/treaty to pass.

The GOP fooled no one including many of the Reps who said that the Corker arrangement turned the treaty process on its head. The outcome is no surprise. It was always going to be done on a party line vote and the agreement would go thru. The GOP leadership thinks it is a tactical victory because they get the Dems to own the agreement and what follows. Forget about the damage does to our security and that of Israel.

So don't blame Obama. He did his job (as crappy and incoherent to historical policy as it is) This is the fault of Congress.

Are you joking? Obama negotiated the deal and all that is in it. Obama gets no pass because Congress didn't do its job. The Democrats, under the current rules, can stop even a vote being taken on the agreement.

The deal can be killed if the sanctions are not lifted.

197 posted on 09/09/2015 11:06:54 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
"Are you joking? Obama negotiated the deal and all that is in it. Obama gets no pass because Congress didn't do its job. The Democrats, under the current rules, can stop even a vote being taken on the agreement."

I'm not trying to be disagreeable. I don't like the agreement and I don't trust Obama and Kerry is a fool tool.

The political reality is: Obama has the authority to negotiate with foreign powers, but only the Senate can approve them, add the House for funding. They [GOPe] rigged this game so that they can get it approved while pretending to be against.

Nobody is asking why? What's the goal, the endgame with Iran here? I would rather talk about that.

221 posted on 09/09/2015 11:25:35 AM PDT by Fhios (Genius is often mistaken for simplicity.)
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To: kabar

IMO Cruz and all GOP Senators who voted for the Corker bill own it and everything Iran is able to do because of it.


257 posted on 09/09/2015 11:57:32 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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