I didn’t say insane, I said mental problems- Someone hwo murders soemoen else, and has extreme anger issues has mental problems
[[It’s hard to believe because it’s just not what Christ taught.]]
Like I said- there are many many verses that speak about eternal salvation- ALL of those verses speaking directly to Christians or telling unsaved folks how they CAN have eternal salvation
All the verses which SEEM to state Christians can lose their salvation, when examined closely, and carefully, all prove to be speaking to unsaved- to apostates, to the unregenerated- Ever wonder why the difference in intended crowds when speaking on the two issues? There’s a reason- and that reason is that Man can not lose his salvation as stated over and over again in the word-
Going into deeper questions what about an alcoholic? Growing up I knew an alcoholic who was a cousin to our neighbor. He would stay sober enough to work and made good money. But he would drink until he passed out. As soon as the man got paid before he bought his booze he stopped at an old country store buying up food mainly ten pounds of bologna, fat back, bread, beans, and potatos. The grocer said where are you going to put this meat it will spoil. He said to the grocer don't worry it will be OK..
No one knew why he was buying all that food. He never told them. {I found this out later that he didn't tell anyone}. But I did see him deliver it many times when I was a kid. a He would take the food & go to his cousins home who's husband had left her and nine kids to go get drunk and womanize for his fun. By that point when the womans cousin got there he would be quite drunk. Guess where the food was going? I know it's true I saw it not once but every week almost. I know now that no one knew the man was doing this except few people and not even the grocer knew what he did with it although the grocer knew him well. Everyone in the county did.
My future wife living in a community almost 20 miles away saw him buying it before at that store and at the time she didn't know either till I told her years later where it all went. This was long before I met her.
Everyone knew that man though. He had been a deacon and had a family his kids were grown. An event happened he just could not handle or overcome the grief of and began drinking not for the fun of a drunk but to numb himself from a memory he could not get over. It was simply the loss of his wife.
Oddly enough another man lived next door to the woman and nine kids. He too was a deacon but very active in his church. He would ask the mom every Saturday if the kids wanted to go to church the next day. The one thing he refused to do? Spare them so much as a bucket of water from his well. The mother did not have running water and water had to be carried in by the kids thus she relied on others to allow her to get water from their well.
She had two wells close enough to help her. The deacons and someone elses who always let them have water and if possible what else they needed. Which man would you want to be on judgement day? The alcoholic or the deacon? Which one would be most rewarded?
From what I gather years later the alcoholic sobered up and got his life back on track from what I saw in his Obit. He really was a kind man who meant no one no harm. The other deacon was one neighborhood men had to watch around women because of wandering eyes.
Only The Lord has the authority to sort it out and be the final judge. Despite what we witness we do not know the full circumstances or true state of any one persons mind. I do think some forms of one being mentally ill is what was called in The Bible having Demon spirits. Where did Christ condemn a one of them? He condemned the demon spirit causing it to come out and cast them from the person separating them from whom they tormented.
In my 58 years I have known only one professed devil worshiper. A guy on the ship of all places in the Fire Dept who held rituals at his rack. He would send cold chills up the spine. So why would a Christian woman become involved with not an atheist but someone worshiping satan?? Some have made it out of satanism. Some didn't. What would you call someone like Manson? Mean? Demon Possessed? Mentally Ill? All three or any combination in between? We don't know. We do know one stone cold fact fact. He is a danger to all.
I didn’t say insane, I said mental problems- Someone hwo murders soemoen else, and has extreme anger issues has mental problems
We could say anger is a mental problem; wrath could be also, and lust, gluttony..
Or, we can look at them as sin. My point was, do you excuse his murder because he has a "mental problem" ?
You seemed to in your reply as it regards salvation. Do we need not confess and repent our sins because they are "mental problems"? Which ones are sins and which are merely mental.
I don't think you would, but I don't see it in your reply.