yeah I dunno what happened, there- I had paragraphs before I posted- I think I hit space 3 times for one paragraph or something weird-
[[But no, it’s quite a trick to read Holy Scripture and get that you are saved from death no matter what. It’s just nonsensical in reading the NT.]]
Really? nonsensical? There are tons of verses that speak about eternal salvation
Like I said, there are many excellent sites that carefully look into this issue- and salvation happened in the old testament too, and it was just as eternal then as it is now-
Yes, eternal salvation. But not OSAS.
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.”
Men change. Salvation occurs at the moment of our death. Agreed? Until then...
We are saved, we are being saved, we hope for salvation when we die. There is time and change and we persevere, we try.
Let’s take an extreme example:
A man is a hardcore disciple of Satan from age 18 to 25.
He meets a girl at age 26. She ‘converts’ him. He is saved according to your criteria.
All is well for six months.
At age 27, he begins to hate her and his life. He goes off and kills her. (I told you this was an extreme example. :)
For the next 20 years he goes back to his old ways, the most vicious, hateful, violent and cruel disciple of Satan you could imagine. He curses his brief fling as a Christian, curses Christ and all humanity. (See, told you this was an extreme example - to test the point.)
In full raging curse of God, he dies, unrepentant.
Which man is he at his death?
I believe you’d say he’s saved. I think that would turn Holy Scripture on its head.
thanks again for your discussion