[Bob434]

[[I understand the concept of OSAS, but I think it is obviously unscriptural]] Really? There are tons of verses stating osas- and the verses which seem to be talking about losing salvation- when read in context, and read carefully show they are always talking not about losing salvation, but talking about things like apostates, coming close to salvation- then turning away and claiming other gods do the miracles that these people witnessed- For instance, the following verses 'look like' they are talking about losing salvation, but when read In context, we see that he was speaking to unsaved unrepentant people Romans 2:6 - 2:8 He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. But when we examine the original greek we see that this verse is talking about htose who, once again, get close to salvation, but hten turn from the truth- reject it, but hwo never accepted the truth unto salvation [[Notwithstanding the weight of ancient authority for its bearing the sense of "contention" in the New Testament, that of "faction" seems more likely and suitable in the passages where it occurs; and certainly so here, the idea seeming to be that the persons spoken of factiously renounced their allegiance to "the truth," obeying ἀδικία instead. We observe how expressions are here heaped up, significant of the Divine indignation against high-handed sin, unrepented and unatoned for, of which the apostle, in very virtue of his view of the eternal δικαιοσύνη,]] http://biblehub.com/romans/2-7.htm We MUST read God's word VERY carefully, because of issues like this very issue (is there a policy of osas or not), and we especially have to read His word more carefully when verses SEEM to contradict each other like we have in OSAS or not OSAS- There are other verses in other books of the bible which make it seem like Jesus was telling Saved people that IF they didn't work hard, they would lose their salvation- Yet upon close careful examination we discover (from verses before that verse) that He was talking to unsaved Pharisees and was pointing out to them that their good works will never save them even though they believe they will- Anyways- I would encourage you to examine the verses both for and against osas- and go to sites that discuss eternal salvation vs losing salvation because these folks have looked deeply into this important issue, and point out how the verses against osas are always talking about unsaved people, and not saved folks- and they point out WHY the verses refer to unsaved and not ot saved- I could go on and on defending osas- but really, you really need to prove it to yourself- and there are many excellent studies on this issue-

[D-fendr]

Paragraphs would help. :)

But no, it’s quite a trick to read Holy Scripture and get that you are saved from death no matter what. It’s just nonsensical in reading the NT.

There’s a reason that theology wasn’t any Christian doctrine until 1600 years on, and it’s still not doctrine except for some relatively small segments.