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To: bolobaby
The only reason I enhance my IT organization with offshore is because I could never find enough reasonably priced domestic folks to fill my ranks. Yes, I qualified by saying, “Reasonably priced.”

So you're going offshore to resist market forces domestically.

88 posted on 09/07/2015 1:09:21 PM PDT by papertyger (Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui neat. / Proof lies on him who asserts, not on him who denies)
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To: papertyger

Perhaps if the jobs weren’t offshored, it would attract more capable programmers into IT, instead of them pursuing other careers.


89 posted on 09/07/2015 1:10:18 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: papertyger

“Resist market forces domestically.” Ha. I see what you did there.

There is a market for labor. In IT, the market is now global. If you can’t compete in the global market, it’s probably because you suck.

Holy crap - he just said that! Yes he did.

Here’s the deal: A decent domestic IT employee is worth 3 offshore folks. We IT leaders KNOW that. But we also know that the offshore guy will cost me 1/3rd the cost. So, if you aren’t “decent,” then it’s probably better for me to go for 3 offshore instead. Get it? For permanent needs, I will hire domestic resources all day... IF they are decent. I will pass on resources that suck up until the point where I can’t afford to look any more, then I will just on-board some offshore guys. In an area like mine, where IT unemployment is around 1%, you have to give up finding decent people at some point if you ever want to get the job done. So after a few months of looking domestically, we’ll throw our hands up and just get more contractors.

So, in reality, you put the cart ahead of the horse: it’s not me that is resisting market forces. It’s the domestic resources who won’t bring up their game to compete with offshore. Or reduce their salary. The latter point is a big one. Time and time again we’ll say, “Hire and train,” if the resource isn’t quite up to snuff but their salary demands are reasonable.

I had one domestic guy, for example, who had “six years” of experience. Five of them were with his own “start up,” which had failed, and for which there was not a single artifact of code available to review. The other one year was through four 3 month contracts. (Which says, “I was a problem so that no one wanted to keep me around.” Trust me, companies keep and/or convert good contractors when able.) Do you know what this yahoo wanted? $165k base, plus 25% bonus, plus equity incentive.

Hit the road, Jack. I’ll take 4 humble offshore at that price.


99 posted on 09/07/2015 1:47:59 PM PDT by bolobaby
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