Posted on 09/06/2015 10:19:29 AM PDT by Biggirl
No neo-nazi lowlife among Clinton supporters?
Sounds like you might just be in the wrong circles. Try Democratic Underground or sumfin :-)
This is not a season of normal politics. Americans have been pressed to the rails in more way than one. That has a way of amping up the give-a-care quotient.
No, the inalecktual giants at DU are sophisticated debaters compared to the storm fronters. Not that I have ventured to DU in years. I mean, who needs it?
Point is that saying you haven’t encountered is talking about you. That is not a nonexistence proof any more than going into a dark closet is a nonexistence proof towards the sun.
And why do we all have to engage in the cynical game of labeling every person who has a preference in public policy or even in who will carry it out.
If it makes you feel any better I don’t like Hillary either. After I make a judgment about a politician I articulate that judgment by using words to describe that judgment. Call that labeling if you wish. My judgment about Trump is that he is poison.
It is how you use the words that makes the label. Think back to the Alinsky “Personalize, freeze, and polarize.”
It is one thing to say someone is (present tense) carrying poison. Another thing to say someone is (immutable nature) poison.
And this is not about “feeling” better but “reasoning” better.
I checked out your profile (nice) and find I agree with maybe 95% of what you say there. Surely there is a conservative candidate still in the running who also goes along with most of it.
Well, people can and DO carry poison. I’ve done it personally. The point of speaking of it that way, is once one realizes that one is only carrying poison, and need not be poison, one can more confidently set the poison down and walk away. And be more hopeful about other people who are presently carrying poison.
People’s attitudes do often change slowly, if they change. But they can also change rapidly under the right conditions.
I want to see if Trump grows on the Kim Davis issue. Somehow to talk as though the “gay marriage” thing is a fait accompli, is a self fulfilling prophecy to the ill. Trump knows what trouble it has caused, if he will be halfway honest about it. America is not Canada The Lukewarm after all. Even to confess he could do nothing but that the American people, if they desire, could embrace a solution like a constitutional amendment, would be better than sticking in the mud.
I would probably be better off if I just describe more literally what I see to be poison and how it applies to the candidate in question than using the word symbolically.
Let's Hope....
The Apathy quotient is huge these days..
I couldn't imagine Freepers going for a liberal.. but it's so..
It's bizarro Freep time..
Donald is a cool player... in the sense of making money..
Making money and making FREEDOM is two different things..
Cruz is for FREEDOM, making money is secondary..
Trump is for making money, FREEDOM is secondary..
Quite simple really.. BOTH are needed their priority is THE ISSUE..
True, to reframe the issue is another way to address it. I was just trying to say it’s valid to talk about metaphorical poison and that that wasn’t my concern. My concern is where we view the poison’s control to be. It’s kind of similar to the “guns do not kill, criminals wielding guns do” distinction.
If I “am poison” that is my own fault. But that also means there is a hypothetical way to change it. To me that’s important because I can be “perplexed but not despairing” both when I and when others are in such a situation.
And that is hope we can believe in. Because there is a Changer who actually is credible.
Donald is addressing another freedom issue in the sense of having the freedom not be to be crowded in by foreigners with agendas that are less than honorable.
One could call that xenophobia I suppose, but labels don’t take away from reasons of concern. To want Mexicans to stay in Mexico if they are not visiting or moving to the USA according to sane rules, is not to wish Mexicans ill. Does it truly do them a favor to embrace them into a morass? Whatever its creature comforts might be at the moment?
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