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To: arbitrary.squid

You intentionally damaged your ability to procreate; you violated your own bodily integrity. I pass no moral judgment on whether that’s a right or wrong thing. I simply make an objective statement of what is. And it is irrelevant. If your damaged bodily integrity were restored, you would be able to procreate. I reiterate: The capacity to procreate may be diminished (even to zero) in certain men and women; age, illness, injury and defect combine to have this effect. Regardless, procreation is at the center of male-female sexual union. A healthy man and a healthy woman can procreate. The inability of two men to procreate with each other, or of two women to procreate with each other has NOTHING to do with their bodily integrity. It is against their nature to be able to procreate. I reiterate: There is no physical act two males can do with their bodies that will produce a baby. There no physical act two females can do with their bodies that will produce a baby. That is simple biology.


185 posted on 09/04/2015 11:52:21 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: NorthMountain; All

I’m curious. When the SCOTUS made their ruling, did they define it as “gay” marriage, “homosexual” marriage, or anything goes marriage?


186 posted on 09/04/2015 12:02:00 PM PDT by KittenClaws ( Normalcy Bias. Do you have it?)
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To: NorthMountain

and again, there is nothing in civil marriage licenses that says the two bodies must being willing or able to procreate.

It simply is not a civil issue that procreation must be the the end result of marriage. It is only a religious ideal that this must take place.

There is nothing in civil laws that says a person must be willing to follow a religious law in order to get married.

In a church? Yes, of course they can make their rules.

What about an 80 year old couple that wishes to get married? Can they be denied because they physically cannot reproduce? What about a person sterile from birth?

I would fully support this woman if she was a member of clergy telling people they can not get married in her church.

But that is not what this is. These are people who are applying for a marriage license under civil laws, and none of these civil laws require procreation or desire ot procreate as a prerequisite of getting a civil marriage license.


187 posted on 09/04/2015 12:02:45 PM PDT by arbitrary.squid
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To: NorthMountain

and again, I do not have to have my ability to procreate restored in order to get a marriage license.

procreation is not a prerequisite to get a marriage license.

I would challenge you to offer up a non-religious reason why two people of the same sex cannot get married if the laws of the land say they can.

There is no civil reason to deny them of this opportunity, regardless of what your religious opinion might be.

There is no test in the USA that one has to be religious or follow any religious laws to get married. For a government official to deny them that ability on a religious ground doesn’t hold weight in a society that does not require one to be religious in order to marry.


189 posted on 09/04/2015 12:05:56 PM PDT by arbitrary.squid
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