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To: NELSON111

I agree completely. There is and will continue to be a great falling away in these last days. My point to you is that you singled HER out as the questionable one and all you know about her is she’s a marriage clerk that stood her ground on God’s Word. Why?

Matt Staver is her attorney. He’s a Christian legal expert. He said today she was saved 4 years ago and her whole life turned around.

It pains me to hear someone who is a preacher judge another believer without having any information about that person. And then you didn’t say ONE THING negative about the rampant homosexual agenda that seeks to destroy ALL believers.


153 posted on 09/04/2015 10:44:40 AM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: spacejunkie2001
>>>It pains me to hear someone who is a preacher judge another believer without having any information about that person.

Well...as is typical on FR and other blogs, people only read certain parts of a post. I made it VERY clear that I had no idea where she stood in Christ...or when she came to Him if she was saved.

"And it all depends on if you has come to Christ AFTER all of these things...or if she's a typical American Christian who wants to judge the sins of others yet fails to look at the log in her own eye"

"And that is the real question: Is she a real Christian or a false one."

So...from my statements I made it clear that I had no idea. I did not assume anything...I was simply making statements regarding various possibilities. So...let me make it abundantly clear on where I stand:

1) - She should not have been made to sign a certificate...even if she was an atheist.

2) - If she is a CINO...and not born again (and lets be honest...there are a LOT of them out there)...she's got bigger problems than hypocrisy.

3) - If she IS a true believer...and all of these divorces and out of wedlock children came after her profession of faith...then THIS is where 1 Cor 5:9-13 applies and this is the scenario I was hypothetically speaking about...because let's be honest again...there are a LOT of Christians out there living in sin...going to church on Sunday morning and then they go home to their live-in lover...or habitually fornicate girl/boy friend and feel absolutely no remorse over their sin whatsoever.

4) - If she IS a true believer (and you have indicated she is) and came to faith after all of these actions (which you statement seems to indicate is a possibility)...or even during and who has asked forgiveness...then 1 Cor 5 doesn't apply and she's forgiven...period...and all of this doesn't matter. She's a new creation - 2 Cor 5:17.

And I DID say negative things...perhaps you missed it:

"You simply can't be Spirit filled and agree with abortion and gay rights."

"That's why when I preach on this issue I spend much more time condemning HER sin than the gay couples. Why? More bang for my buck. Why preach so I can get amens form the likes of her who are living in their own unrepentant sin."

I made it pretty clear that homosexuality is sin...and that the believer CANNOT agree with it because the Spirit dwells within them. It's pretty clear from my statement that BOTH adultery and homosexuality are sin...but given the fact I have limited time and my job is to edify and build up the body...I want to concentrate on the things that will help people live HOLY lives...NOT the sins we all agree on. I don't need an amen corner.

173 posted on 09/04/2015 11:18:00 AM PDT by NELSON111
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