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To: ballearthout

And Obama and the Republican Congress have already shredded the Constitution, so there’s nothing left to lose. And if indeed this is a choice between Hillary Clinton and Julius Caesar (picture Trump with olive leaves on his brow) then I choose Julius. Obama has ruled unconstitutionally and shown every other politician how to do it. There is no guarantee this time forward that we won’t live under a dictatorship. My hope is that Trump can get this genie back in the bottle.


This is exactly the attitude that concerns me and why I created this thread.

We have a LOT left to lose. Any student of history knows how bad it can get. Any survivor of the death camps still alive knows how bad it can get. And the signs are everywhere. Look at how Christian business owners are treated and compare that to how Jewish business owners in Germany were treated - not in 1939, but in 1933 - when it is still relatively benign.

Now look at Trump’s comments about Christianity. They are not exactly re-assuring.

These things never happen all at once. I am a student of the history of the Nazi rise in Germany and it’s various phases. Most importantly, how it gained popularity with otherwise rational people - but tried by difficult times.

The Wave (previous link) really drives the point home.

You need to see the whole Trump package and ask what would happen if that was our president. I’m not saying he would even be a bad president, but it is important to really examine the situation as you would a car you are thinking about buying. One negative can wipe out a plethora of positives, if it’s the right negative.

It needs to at least be considered.


95 posted on 08/29/2015 10:14:48 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: cuban leaf

The thing is, the Constitution in great part is already dead. All the people in Washington haven’t done yet is officially bury it. That comes next on their agenda. So, with Trump, at best he would resuscitate our founding document; at worst, he would manage its burial better than the others. Hillary would be a dictator, have no doubt about it. Sanders would turn us into Western European socialism. Bush would bring us the collapse of our southern and northern borders and union with Canada and Mexico. His brother George paved the way for the North American Union, and Jeb wants to complete it. Same with Rubio.

So, under these circumstances, I have to take my chance with Trump. At least, if nothing else, he wants to maintain our sovereignty.

Its later than you think.


124 posted on 08/29/2015 10:35:03 AM PDT by ballearthout
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To: cuban leaf

The US is not the Weimar Republic. The population is not homogenous to the extent of post war Germany (1919-1933).


262 posted on 08/29/2015 3:56:32 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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