[Yosemitest]

" Murray is at the forefront of advocating the need to save Western civ, which is rather opposite to “also in denial.”
Or am I reading something that you are merely quoting? "

The quote I assume you are talking about is not from Comment #85, but from Comment #49, where I stated:

" His [Ben Domenech] "hero", Charles Murray is another political snob who's made his money out of selling colleges what they want to hear, who is also in denial.
So he, also, is trying to sell Liberals, and Liberals who are ashamed to call themselves Liberals, but want to sell the label "neoconservatives", what they want to hear.
They use "white identity politics" to try to SMEAR a REAL plan of attack to return this country from SOCIALISTS' POLICIES that are destroying us,
and back to the principles and ideas our Founding Fathers used to MAKE THIS COUNTRY GREAT !
Would they ever use the term "BLACK identity politics" ?
Of course not !
Ben Domenech is just as bad as George Will !
And what offends these snobs so much, is the very real possibility that they may lose their ILLEGAL ALIENS that are their baby-sitters, gardeners, house-keepers, and financially indentured slaves. "

Now, just HOW is Murray "advocating the need to save Western civ... " ?

Is he "advocating" "Big Government" ?
Is Murray "advocating" “a stronger safety net” ?
Is he "advocating" "Social Justice" ?
Is he "advocating" “a cleaner environment” ?
Is Murray "advocating" “a stronger education for the 'academically gifted' ” ?

Or .... is he a FIRM BELIEVER and ADVOCATOR of "INDIVIDUAL Liberty" ?
Does Murray support "INDIVIDUAL Responsibility" ?
Does he believe in and support "government having ONLY a MINIMAL ROLE in the lives of its citizens" ?

In short:

Is Charles Murray a REAL Conservative,
or an old moderate DemocRAT
who is ASHAMED to call himself a "Liberal" ?

[sparklite2]

This is from a review of one of Murray’s books. I hope it answers your questions.

In his summing up Charles Murray insists that Western civilization has produced the most impressive record of human accomplishment. He uses the basic profound insight of Aristotle as his main premise. “Other things being equal human beings enjoy the exercise of their realized capacities (their innate or trained abilities), and this enjoyment increases the more the capacity is realized, or the greater its complexity.”

A sense of purpose animates western culture, in the believe that human talent and creativity have something that transcends somehow the corporate human body. And an atmosphere of general freedom and encouragement of individual effort beyond a collectivist or group ethic.

[rmlew]

Is Charles Murray a REAL Conservative, or an old moderate DemocRAT who is ASHAMED to call himself a "Liberal" ?
He's a libertarian with traditional values. Go read "The Bell Curve" and "Coming Apart". Then apologize for ever ignorant and asinine thing your wrote about Murray in this thread.