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To: GilGil
Levin's point that an illegal is not under the jurisdiction of our government is totally valid. If the illegal gave himself over to US jurisdiction he would be detained and deported back to the country that does have valid jurisdiction. The illegal intentionally rejects US jurisdiction.

Words mean something.

The amendment does not state: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

It instead states:"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Even a SCJ should have been able to understand the meaning.

5 posted on 08/18/2015 7:08:59 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: higgmeister

It sounds like the congress could fix this mess. What an eye opener this is. Trump knows this.


6 posted on 08/18/2015 7:10:21 PM PDT by GilGil
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To: higgmeister
Levin's point that an illegal is not under the jurisdiction of our government is totally valid. If the illegal gave himself over to US jurisdiction he would be detained and deported back to the country that does have valid jurisdiction. The illegal intentionally rejects US jurisdiction.

Levin's point is wrong, because the relevant person for 14th Amendment purposes is not the illegal alien him/herself, but rather the U.S.-born child. Levin may be correct that the illegal intentionally rejects U.S. jurisdiction, but the question of whether the child is subject to U.S. jurisdiction is far less clear.

19 posted on 08/18/2015 7:20:48 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: higgmeister

While I’m not in favor of birthright citizenship, it appears to me that the Supreme Court has interpreted the jurisdictional issue to exclude only ambassadors or others directly assigned to be in the U.S. by a foreign government, and that all others born here are automatically granted U.S. citizenship.

Since the Court decides what the current Constitution says, it would seem to me that it would require a Constitutional Amendment to change the current situation.

As for Trump, he wouldn’t know the Constitution if it bit him in the butt. Remember, he’s held more Dem policy positions than GOP positions in the past. To claim that he’s got a good read on the Constitution on this issue is ridiculous, especially since the Supreme Court has already ruled opposite to his view. Not only does he say what people want to hear, but it’s even worse. People are now hearing what they want to hear even if Trump hasn’t actually said it. He’s espoused several different positions on PP in the last two weeks and his supporters just pick the one they like. Makes being a politician easy.


53 posted on 08/18/2015 7:47:00 PM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left....completely!)
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To: higgmeister

To memorize ) Thank-you.

Levin’s point that an illegal is not under the jurisdiction of our government is totally valid. If the illegal gave himself over to US jurisdiction he would be detained and deported back to the country that does have valid jurisdiction. The illegal intentionally rejects US jurisdiction.
Words mean something.

The amendment does not state: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

It instead states:”All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

Even a SCJ should have been able to understand the meaning.


88 posted on 08/18/2015 11:06:46 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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