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To: GilGil
He also goes into the fact that congress has the right to define who gets citizenship under article 1,section 8.

Congress has no such power. Article 1, section 8 authorizes Congress to establish a uniform rule of "naturalization," which is narrower than citizenship. 14th amendment birthright citizenship is not "naturalization," so Congress's power under Article 1, Section 8 is irrelevant.

22 posted on 08/18/2015 7:23:23 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

BS. Did you even listen to Levin? I would suggest he as far more credentials then you do!


25 posted on 08/18/2015 7:24:39 PM PDT by GilGil
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Please explain how it is that a foreigner can be granted citizenship without being naturalized first? Amnesty is a form of naturalization afterall.


48 posted on 08/18/2015 7:43:48 PM PDT by SCHROLL
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Congress has ‘plenary’ power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization.

The courts don’t——The marxist muslim in the White hut doesn’t have the power. The 14th amendment was enacted for freed slaves. It doesn’t limit Congress’ power of naturalization at all.

Scrotus has no say who is or who is not a citizen.


85 posted on 08/18/2015 9:43:58 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (DEPORT OBOLA VOTERS)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative; GilGil; SCHROLL; Electric Graffiti
Congress has no such power. Article 1, section 8 authorizes Congress to establish a uniform rule of "naturalization," which is narrower than citizenship. 14th amendment birthright citizenship is not "naturalization," so Congress's power under Article 1, Section 8 is irrelevant.

Well if the Congress does not have the power to decide citizenship and it certainly is not invested in the President then it must be up to the States.

I guess the States an individually decide how Citizenship is conferred upon its people by virtue of the Tenth Amendment.

The States must be then within their rights to deny birthright citizenship to the newborns of all foreign nationals.

It’s as valid a way of looking at the problem as any of the others (perhaps more). But of course our statist Supreme Court would never see it that way.

92 posted on 08/19/2015 1:22:35 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
Congress has no such power. Article 1, section 8 authorizes Congress to establish a uniform rule of "naturalization," which is narrower than citizenship.

You're right, it doesn't.

This was the legal state of this subject in Virginia, when the federal constitution was adopted; it declares that congress shall have power to establish an uniform rule of naturalization; throughout the United States; but it also further declares, that the powers not delegated by the constitution to the U. States, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states, respectively or to the people. The power of naturalization, and not that of denization, being delegated to congress, and the power of denization not being prohibited to the states by the constitution, that power ought not to be considered as given to congress, but, on the contrary, as being reserved to the states.
St. George Tucker

You'd have trouble getting that fact acknowledged though - not only because the federal government has decided denizens don't EXIST, but because doing so would mean the 14th Amendment itself is unconstitutional.

94 posted on 08/19/2015 3:38:19 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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