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To: Dead Corpse

Are there Americans applying?
If so why aren’t they hired?
We realistically need immigrants.
Which would you rather have?
low skill scum suckers or ones who will actually contribute?

Do you think our education system is sending out enough qualified people?


99 posted on 08/16/2015 5:48:53 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger
If H1-B workers come in freely to always work 20+% less than the American worker, how can the American worker compete within the US, when that American’s wage is being negatively indexed against that worker?

The H1-B visa program was never supposed to do this.

Ask the Disney IT workers how it's going for them.

Apparently, Cruz wants 500% more opportunities for US citizens to retrain foreign workers to leave Americans unemployed.

104 posted on 08/16/2015 6:02:05 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: RWGinger
For Every New Job, Two New Immigrants Since 2000: 9.3 million new jobs, 18 million new immigrants

Is There a STEM Worker Shortage? A look at employment and wages in science, technology, engineering, and math

Using the most common definition of STEM jobs, total STEM employment in 2012 was 5.3 million workers (immigrant and native), but there are 12.1 million STEM degree holders (immigrant and native).

Only one-third of native-born Americans with an undergraduate STEM degree holding a job actually work in a STEM occupation.

There are more than five million native-born Americans with STEM undergraduate degrees working in non-STEM occupations: 1.5 million with engineering degrees, half a million with technology degrees, 400,000 with math degrees, and 2.6 million with science degrees.

An additional 1.2 million natives with STEM degrees are not working — unemployed or out of the labor force in 2012.

Despite the economic downturn, Census Bureau data show that, between 2007 and 2012, about 700,000 new immigrants who have STEM degrees were allowed to settle in the country, yet at the same time, total STEM employment grew by only about 500,000.

Of these new immigrants with STEM degrees, only a little more than a third took a STEM job and about the same share took a non-STEM job. The rest were not working in 2012.

Overall, less than half of immigrants with STEM degrees work in STEM jobs. In particular, just 23 percent of all immigrants with engineering degrees work as engineers.

In total, 1.6 million immigrants with STEM degrees worked outside of a STEM field and 563,000 were not working.

The supply of STEM workers is not just limited to those with STEM degrees. Nearly one-third of the nation's STEM workers do not have an undergraduate STEM degree.

Wage trends are one of the best measures of labor demand. If STEM workers are in short supply, wages should be increasing rapidly. But wage data from multiple sources show little growth over the last 12 years.

Real hourly wages (adjusted for inflation) grew on average just 0.7 percent a year from 2000 to 2012 for STEM workers, and annual wages grew even less — 0.4 percent a year. Wage growth is very modest for most subcategories of engineers and technology workers.

Which would you rather have? low skill scum suckers or ones who will actually contribute?

Immigrants use the welfare system to a greater degree than the native born. And 20% of immigrant headed household don't even have a high school degree. We are importing poverty.


106 posted on 08/16/2015 6:06:47 PM PDT by kabar
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To: RWGinger

Did you accidentally cross-post?


139 posted on 08/16/2015 7:27:20 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: RWGinger

This question has been thoroughly answered over the last several years in various press reports. Case in point - one third of Duke engineering grads could not find work. However, companies have many needs for engineers, they just don’t want to pay the going rate. A lot of engineering work is being outsourced to India, etc.

The applications companies complete for these visas have been examined and have been found wanting.

Perhaps, the most famous example is Disney which has been well documented in the press and here at FR. I don’t remember the exact numbers, but Disney let go 100+ workers (I think they were engineers, but not certain) that were replaced by those in the visa program. The Disney workers were required to train their replacements so they could receive their severance. This occurred just in the last 6 months. In many cases, the visa program is a sham, so the companies payroll is reduced...there is nothing more complicated about it than that.


145 posted on 08/16/2015 9:14:54 PM PDT by Dave W
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