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To: WilliamIII
It was “stabilized” as a Shiite, pro-Iran government. That’s Trumps point: we booted out Iran’s enemy and replaced him with Iranian allies.

A true statement.

And THAT is what destabilized the Mideast - by empowering Iran. And it all happened under Bush, years before Obama

Deposing Hussein was the beginning of the destabilization, I agree there.

To relieve Barack Hussein Obama of any responsibility by ignoring his own role in heavily contributing to the disaster that is now the middle east is simply playing into the liberal/progressive left's lies that Obama isn't responsible for anything. That's simply not true. Obama's policies have heavily contributed to destabilization.

Case in point: The Iranian Student Uprising early in Obama's first term. What did Obama do? Turned his eyes away and let Iran do what it wanted killing hundreds/thousands.

What was Obama's response to the "arab spring?" He completely mis-characterized it and repeatedly failed to see it for what it truly was.

These are facts that cannot be ignored, and which contributed heavily to the destabilization of the middle east under Obama's watch.

I don't buy it that this is all Bush/Cheney's fault. They certainly have their share, but all? Nope.

30 posted on 08/13/2015 11:51:59 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative; WilliamIII

>>”Case in point: The Iranian Student Uprising early in Obama’s first term. What did Obama do? Turned his eyes away and let Iran do what it wanted killing hundreds/thousands.”<<

The so-called ‘uprising’ in 2009 in Iran (which I incidentally supported at the beginning) was not essentially home-grown. Although, it did also involve various (non-Islamic) Iranian political groups.

ESSENTIALLY, the “Green Revolution” (2009) was a (violent) dispute between supporters of Ahmadi-Nejad and the reformist faction of the same Islamic Republic Regime - the former supported by ‘foreign elements’, and partly financed by self-serving, wealthy, and very corrupt individuals such as mullah Rafsanjani.

One can argue that Obama could’ve supported the ‘moderate/reformists Islamists” of the same Mullahs’ regime; OR put his weight behind those non-Islamic, secular groups.

All in all, it would not have worked because the Mullahs’ Regime is FIRMLY in charge in Iran, will kill as many UNARMED people (as they are and were), and is very much UNlike the Shah’s era.

>>”What was Obama’s response to the “arab spring?” He completely mis-characterized it and repeatedly failed to see it for what it truly was.”<<

Way I understood it, it was about Democracy and equal rights between shi’ites and sunnis in Arab countries. Another failure and ill-conceived plan. This ‘uprising’ was also instigated by outsiders.

Both the “Arab Spring” and the 2009 Green Revolution in Iran remind me of what Jimmy Carter did in Iran back in 1978-79.

Major difference, for Iran at least, being that times have changed.

Iranian Mullahs’ regime will quash any internal uprising in the most brutal way and with impunity, whereas the Shah chose to leave Iran in 1979 to avoid further bloodshed. And to stop Islamists & Communists (supported by Jimmy Carter et al, under the banner of “Democracy”) from terrorism inside Iran.

In hindsight the Shah should’ve stayed and killed the mentioned bast*rds; then again, the Shah would have been accused of being an Assad or a Saddam.....


45 posted on 08/13/2015 12:54:50 PM PDT by odds
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