FOX News Republican Presidential Primary Debate - Main Event [LIVE THREAD 8:50pm ET]

FOX News ^ | Aug 6, 2015

[caww]

BREITBART.... EDITOR ALEX MARLOW:

FOX NEWS ‘TRYING TO TAKE OUT TRUMP’ FOR GOP ESTABLISHMENT

“Fox is positioning themselves as a centrist network, as an establishment Republican network. They’re not interested in Donald Trump and his supporters. His supporters are grassroots conservatives”

( My take is I believe this true...especially since they pushed Carly immediately ahead from tier two....she is most definatly establishment and a favorite/coached of Karl Rove...then Fox’s auduance took Trump further down...so who came out on top everybody is talking about? Carly Fiorina who wants the VP poisiton and the RNC wants her there as well.)

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/08/07/breitbarts-editor-alex-marlow-fox-news-trying-to-take-out-trump-for-gop-establishment/

[Stat Man]

Hmm.... I heard “slob”, not “sloth”.

[Crystal Palace East]

You are missing my point.

Trump’s conservative political thoughts are great. His “hurt inner child” demeanor was awful.

[Plummz]

Well, it’s a discussion forum. If you don’t want to be called for pisting stupid, false things; don’t post stupid, false things. We’re all grown ups.

[dodger]

Sounds good but give Templeton a “shot” (lame pun intended)!

[Lee Enfield]

Tempelton is a great Rye.But, as much as I love Rye, I'm a Scotch guy. Rye, though. is the preferred substitute.

[Lee Enfield]

Tempelton is a great Rye.But, as much as I love Rye, I'm a Scotch guy. Rye, though. is the preferred substitute.

[Chauncey Uppercrust]

We were talking about Christians attending gay weddings, you changed the subject.

Jesus would not have attended a gay wedding any more than he would have attended an abortion

Nobody was suggesting that Jesus did not love everybody. All the Scriptures you posted are spot on and wonderful and correct, but attending gay weddings or abortions is not something Jesus would have done in any way shape or form

Homosexuality harms children. I love my gay couzin, I told him sorry I can not take part in such an event, they were asking God to bless it.

Someone else responded to you very well, saying that a gay wedding is a celebration of sin, as opposed to the Tax collector etc

Sorry you had no argument

Peace

[Lady Heron]

Yeah, that is the head in the sand ticket! Seriously can't look at the election numbers and believe that crap. Clinton did not get the numbers he needed to win without a 3rd party.

At some point if you are serious about winning reality has to come into equations not just emotions.

[Lady Heron]

And what I am trying to point out is that you don’t appear to know what a revolution looks like. We are sooo past yesterday’s news, today. Wake up.

LOL, Lady I have seen so many "revolutions" in the republican party to actually take time and look seriously at each flash in the pan now when they come around instead of jumping right in. By the time you have actually paid attention to the "Reagan Democrats", "the Christian Right", the Perot madness, the "Contract with America"...etc...etc...etc... You take a little time to stop and think things through, especially the consequences.

This has the "little General" history repeating all over it. A Clinton running, successful well heeled businessman outside establishment with great quick comebacks running over the media and giving them hell. Pure entertainment for those sick to death of the pc crap. BUT...past that are not conservative.

Gee, maybe we should stop and take a look at what happened in history to the conservatives the last time the republicans ran into this, if we have a brain cell left. Do you know how many conservatives actually were stupid enough to vote for a man whose wife ran Planned Parenthood joining that revolution? Maybe we should question if we are being taken for another Clinton ride like the last time.

Not holding out much hope....the stupid party is well named after all.

[Norm Lenhart]

Blaming the victim (America) isn’t the way to go here. Bush outright lied to America. Outright liars should not be president. If half the right wing cannot get it’s act together and stand up for that simple truth then the country deserved Clinton just as it deserved Obama.

If the GOP wants to run Liars, and they have consistently, then Third party is the way to go. If America loses because more people love evil than America itself, So be it. Work harder next time. You do not fix a problem by ‘winning’ with the problem under a different name.

If there is no next time, the blame falls solely on the liars and their supporters. The rest of us fought for America, not evil.

[WVKayaker]

We were talking about Christians attending gay weddings, you changed the subject.

Sorry, did not change anything.

But, speaking of change... do you think Jesus would have promoted drunken behavior? It is a notorious sin.

Did Jesus turn water into grape juice? No. It was the "finest wine" and we know that because Scripture tells us that. The narrative says that usually the best wine is served first. But, when the guests are all tipsy, He gave them a treat.

I do not think Jesus would bless a gay wedding. I do think Jesus went where sinners congregate. Scripture repeats that theme.

I do smile when others are so quick to condemn behavior that they personally abhor, and try to "speak for God". He has already spoken. WE can learn from that!!

I will learn from the Master, thanks!

...This part of Jesus' life started at Bethlehem and ended at Calvary.

At His birth He was numbered with the transgressors. Mary, His mother, and Joseph, His foster father, were coming to Bethlehem. Why were they coming to Bethlehem? They came to register their names. A census was being taken. It says in the English language that they were going to Bethlehem to be taxed. That is not quite correct. A census was conducted and each person had to go to his own capital city. Jesus in His birth was registered in Bethlehem. He was numbered with sinners.

The very fact that He was circumcised numbers Him with sinners. Circumcision was a rite administered to people because of their sins, admitting that one was a sinner. Forgive me for being a bit blunt here, but the clipping of the wasted skin pictured that the Christian ought not to have sin in his life. We ought to be circumcised from sin, if you please. He was numbered with the transgressors. Our Lord, by the fact that He was circumcised, showed the race that He was identifying Himself with us: Jesus, a friend of sinners.

In Luke 5:27-29, Matthew, the tax collector, had just been converted. He decided that he wanted everybody to hear about his new-found faith in Christ and about his new-found Saviour. So Matthew had a meal and called all the publicans and sinners together. He said, "Folks, I want you all to know that I am resigning my position. I am leaving everything to follow Jesus Christ. I want you to know Jesus." Jesus was there at that feast with a crowd of the most motley people you ever saw in your life. There is Jesus sitting there, perhaps, at the head of the table.

"Well," said the Pharisees, "He's a friend of sinners. He eats with sinners!"

I am glad He is. I am glad He does. I am glad He was willing to eat with sinners. Our Lord said, "The whole hath no need of a physician. The sick people need a doctor. I am the Great Physician. Here are the sinners. They need Me." Our Lord defended the fact that He was a friend of sinners.

In Luke 7:36 Jesus went to the house of a Pharisee to eat. The Bible says while He was there a woman, "which was a sinner," came to the house and brought an alabaster box of ointment. She took that expensive ointment and anointed the Saviour. You recall that Judas Iscariot said, "Wait a minute! That could have been sold for a great price and could have been given to feed the poor."

Our Lord said, "The poor you have with you always."

I want you to notice that our Lord was eating in the house of a Pharisee and was defending a lady whom the Bible says was a sinner.

In Luke 15:2 again Jesus was accused of being a friend of sinners. Our Lord tells the parable of the lost coin, the parable of the lost sheep and the parable of the lost boy. He said, "If a lady has a coin and she loses it, she will look until she finds it. If a shepherd has lost a sheep, he will leave the ninety and nine and go out into the highways and hedges and find the one and bring back the lost sheep. If a son goes off and is away in sin, when he comes home, the father will say, 'Oh, kill the fatted calf. Put a ring on his finger, shoes on his feet, and a robe on his back. My son who was gone has now returned. He was lost but now is found!" The one son who was home, got mad and said to his dad, 'You never did pay me that much attention, and I never did leave.'" Jesus was simply showing that He was a friend of the fallen one.

Jesus was a friend of the blind Bartimaeus beside the road, a Nicodemus at midnight, a fallen lady at noon day, and Zacchaeus, with whom He went home to eat.

In John 4, the disciples were out to MacDonalds to get some Kosher hamburgers. (They had sold only about one million back in those day.) Jesus said, "I think I'll sit here on the well." A little lady who was living in adultery came to the well. She was living with a man to whom she was not married. She had had five husbands. Jesus sat on that well and talked to her. Oh, Jesus was a friend of sinners. He loved her. He cared for her. Criticized though He was, He was always helping sinners.

Even when He was on the cross, suffering as no man has suffered, He saved a thief. He was numbered among the transgressors, dying between two thieves. He said, "Today shalt thou be with Me in Paradise."

That is why we have our rescue mission. We want to be like Jesus, a friend of sinners. That is why we have a class for retarded children. That is why we have buses. Many of these bus kids who come from far and near have never been to church before. They don't know how to behave. When they come up here to the baptistery and I'm going to baptize them, some of them are almost doing the breast stroke while are coming in the water. As I start to baptize them, I go back and they go forward. I have to grab them quickly and take them backward. They do not know how to behave. All over this building, while we are here in this auditorium, hundreds of bus kids from over here in Chicago are here. I know some are little hoodlums. I know what they do. Thirteen of them got into the ladies rest room and locked the door. Some say words they should not say. I know that we sometimes have to disarm them. In some departments there are crayola marks. Once I thought, "Oh my, I'm embarrassed!" Then I thanked God and said, "No, I'm not embarrassed! Thank God, this church is a friend of sinners!" I'll tell you what. I know how we can have a real nice church. I know how we can have it so that no one will pull a switchblade knife on a Sunday school teacher and nobody will lock himself in the rest room. I know how. We can do just like most churches do and not be a friend to sinners.

Dwight Moody went to Chicago and started a Sunday school class of poor kids. One day he was walking down the street and saw a kid that had been absent for a few weeks. Mr. Moody said, "Hey, kid, you weren't there last Sunday." The boy ran down the street and Mr. Moody pursued. The fellow ran down the street and opened a door of an apartment house and ran upstairs. Mr. Moody got there just before the door went shut. He ran in the door and ran up the stairs. The little kid opened the door of his apartment and ran inside. Mr. Moody went into the apartment before the door shut, but the young fellow crawled under the bed. Mr. Moody got him by the foot and pulled him out from under there and said, "You didn't come to Sunday school last Sunday. I want to see you." About that time the father came in.

He said, "What's going on here?"

Mr. Moody said, "My name is Dwight Moody." "Oh," he said, "you must be 'crazy Moody!" Why was he crazy? He ran after sinners! Other churches did not want their carpet dirty. Other churches did not want their walls soiled. I know of churches who never have a sinner kneel at the altar, drunkards made sober, harlots made pure or bus kids made right. Do you know that we have about a dozen of our bus kids studying right now for the ministry? We have many of our little bus kids in Christian colleges. They were little urchins like a lot of the rest of them are. ...

[WVKayaker]

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/god%5Floves%5Fsinners.htm

[Chauncey Uppercrust]

You completely judged me ....I said Christians do not nor could not attend a gay wedding, nobody said anything about condemning anybody

Gay weddings, they try to say that God/Christ is ok with it, that`s why Christians can not attend

Jesus also would not attend a gay wedding, you also acknowledged that, that is were you should have left it, but then you go on to suggest I had said I condemned people.

You know nothing of me, I am a sinner saved by Grace, nothing more

I stated a fact and you judged me and made a fool of yourself.

God Bless you

Goodnight

BTW there is no such thing as a homosexual Christian, or a pro choice/pro abortion Christian, both terms are oxymoron’s

Someone else on the forum replied to you, they hit it on the head...A gay wedding is a celebration of sin

[Norm Lenhart]

Hey Cris, Looks like you lost the bet. Don’t feel too bad though. As a member of Team Obvious I couldn’t help but see it.

[Crystal Palace East]

TRump is nothing but a loudmouthed schoolyard bully who is now spouting Conservative positions just to get publicity.

He is truly a boor.

[WVKayaker]

I stated a fact and you judged me and made a fool of yourself.

Fact? I do not see those words in Scripture, but I do see them in people who do not understand the power and strength of God. He can utterly destroy as quickly as He created. He made everything we see. I believe that.

I also believe the Scriptures which give life to His time on earth. It involves a path that was from the beginning. He created man (and woman) in His image. We are spiritual beings! (John 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”). He counts the hairs on our heads.

I do not limit God's power of FORGIVENESS! He came down from the Heavens and was born as a child. He was circumcised, and raised in a proper Jewish family. He was confounding the elders in the Synagogue, when He was a youngster. He continues that tact with everyone.

Only God knows the end of each story. He created us to be something special and He has ordered everything to provide for all of our needs. But, from the beginning, we have rebelled against Him. Even after we are saved, we continue to rebel and think we know better than He.

You completely judged me. ... You completely judged me! Ha!

Judge not lest you be judged! (that's another little gem from the Book!) God is the arbiter of where He will go. I don't think He is asking for your advice!

[Norm Lenhart]

Maybe so. I’m not his biggest fan. But that doesn’t make him any different than Mitch the liar, Jonbon or any of their hatchetmen that have done the same for years.

And his numbers went up because people are sick to death of being on the receiving end of it from what is supposed to be their party.

Ultimately the GOP created the monster. It was their actions in becoming leftists that opened the door for Trump to be taken seriously. Noe he is and they are having to go full tilt leftist to fight him. And thats why he’s popular and only going to get more popular as one attack after another fails.

And they will fail because they are attacking him from the left. But they cannot attack him from the right because he exists to their right. What CAN they do? Adopt his position on illegals? Who left would believe that? His Obamacare stuff? After they funded it 4 times and now say that they will never shut down the govt over it again?

Trump could be lying through his teeth. Maybe he is, maybe he isn’t. But no one cares. Because the GOP trained them not to care.

No one to blame but themselves.

[Crystal Palace East]

Agree with some of your points.

The real issue now is, who do we put forward to defeat the Dem candidate a year from now.

This is the quarter finals, not even the semis yet. The Primaries drive the General election, and the General drives forever.

Did not see her but Forina reportedly did very well.

Supposedly Trump without the Junior High School playground bully attitude.

Did you see her segment?

[Chauncey Uppercrust]

You are spot on about the love of God/Christ, but you suggest that repentance is not necessary. A person cant be forgiven if they say their sin is not sin

There is no such thing as a homosexual Christian or at the least a practising homosexual.

But you have no argument about homosexuality, and I am guessing now abortion.

Franklin Graham would disagree with you as well as any Spirit filled Theologian