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Atheist minister fighting United Church’s effort to fire her (WTF?!?!?)
The Globe and Mail ^ | 8/6/2015 | COLIN PERKEL

Posted on 08/06/2015 5:49:28 AM PDT by mkleesma

An ordained United Church of Canada minister who believes in neither God nor Bible said Wednesday she is prepared to fight an unprecedented attempt to boot her from the pulpit for her beliefs. In an interview at her West Hill church, Rev. Gretta Vosper said congregants support her view that how you live is more important than what you believe in. “I don’t believe in...the god called God,” Vosper said. “Using the word gets in the way of sharing what I want to share.”

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TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: atheist; grettavosper; minister
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To: jsanders2001
Geez I wonder what her sexual orientation is?

Her husband is Scott Kearn, the church's music director. He writes insipid, bumanistic hymns for the congregation to sing.

41 posted on 08/06/2015 8:07:00 AM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: mkleesma

On the plus side, the Episcopalians will probably embrace her with open arms. At least if she is willing to experiment with homosexuality.


42 posted on 08/06/2015 8:08:35 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: mkleesma
“I don’t believe in...the god called God,” Vosper said. “Using the word gets in the way of sharing what I want to share.”

The god she believes in is named "I".

43 posted on 08/06/2015 8:10:19 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: jsanders2001
The gays have already capturednthe Unitarian Church. They want to afflict other debominations with their madness.

The United Church started ordaining practicing homosexuals in 1987. They've had very weak doctrinal and moral standards for decades. In the mid-1990s they appointed a national moderator who denied the resurrection.

Vosper's church is only the natural outgrowth of a liberal denomination that has come completely unmoored. I came across a document on the church's Web site once that basically said their only doctrinal absolute was that you couldn't question someone else's beliefs.

They deserve her.

44 posted on 08/06/2015 8:15:35 AM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: Bryanw92; Wiser now
Bryanw92: You shouldn’t need to fire a pastor like this. Her congregation should have left already.

Wiser now: According to the article, there are only 50 members left. They need to withhold their donations to the church until she is forced to leave because she isn’t being paid. I have seen several churches do just that, one to the point of being forced to close.

A case study on your point:
The pastor at Sierra Madre (CA) Congregational Church decided c. 1970 that he was now an atheist. The great majority of the congregation left and started Bethany Church around the corner, which prospers and remains faithful to this day. With no one paying his salary, the atheist left.

Recognizing that they already had fine physical facilities and needed only godly leadership, the tiny remnant reached out to the large Lake Ave. CC in nearby Pasadena and hired its youth minister, Richard J. Anderson. His first sermon at SMCC in 1972 was to sixteen souls, including his wife and three children. He retired finally after forty years.

Conservatively estimated, the number of people who found Christ as Lord and Savior, through Pastor Anderson's personal ministry along with parachurch ministries founded under his pastorship, already exceeds one million and is increasing now exponentially. God had the last laugh by using that atheist to great effect in harvesting souls for His Kingdom.

45 posted on 08/06/2015 9:54:53 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: mkleesma

No difference between her a minister who is a homosexual....


46 posted on 08/06/2015 9:56:04 AM PDT by DouglasKC (I'm pro-choice when it comes to lion killing....)
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To: RansomOttawa

> Her husband is Scott Kearn, the church’s music director. He writes insipid, bumanistic hymns for the congregation to sing.

Eleanor Roosevelt was married too. So is Hillary Clinton...: )


47 posted on 08/06/2015 10:03:59 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Gamecock

Well if your other eye is lesbian you might have an issue...especially if the rest of you is male...(play on words warning!) ;)


48 posted on 08/06/2015 10:16:37 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (No white, no black,no slave or free,just washed in the red that Messiah bled!)
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To: mkleesma

Deeply disordered soul.


49 posted on 08/06/2015 12:14:22 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

That is a wonderful testimony. Thanks.


50 posted on 08/06/2015 12:31:22 PM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: jsanders2001
Eleanor Roosevelt was married too. So is Hillary Clinton...

*shrug* A lesbian could have been ordained in the United Church for half a decade before she was. No need for the "beard."

Unattractive liberal woman ≠ lesbian.

51 posted on 08/06/2015 12:34:45 PM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: Wiser now
I started at SMCC in '77, but my wife in '73, so we've been privileged to witness--and participate in--much of it. It's a story I love to tell, obviously, because God once again demonstrates so conclusively His love and ability, as with Joseph:

You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good
to accomplish what is now being done,
the saving of many lives.
Genesis 50:20

52 posted on 08/06/2015 12:44:23 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: Wiser now; Bryanw92
A final point of interest, which helps, or at least begins to, explain how Rev. Anderson's pastorship could possibly have led to a million-plus souls won for Christ.

Typically, the first assistant pastor hired at a small, growing church is assigned responsibility for Christian education: adult and children's Sunday school, midweek Bible studies, etc. Not Dick Anderson. His first hire was the now-famous Dr. Hugh Ross, who was then following God's call to leave astronomy and CalTech to enter Christian ministry as the church's full-time Evangelism Minister. Hugh retained that post for over ten years, until with Dick Anderson's active encouragement he founded Reasons to Believe and, as it grew, finally left to run it.

53 posted on 08/06/2015 1:04:54 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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