The United States Should Ditch NATO and Follow Britain out of Europe

New York Observer (Opinion) ^ | July 27, 2015 | Bernie Quigley

[Navy Patriot]

Suppose we had a war and Britain didn’t come? Which is sort of what happened in Syria when President Obama, on the advice of Samantha Power, United States Ambassador to the United Nations, declared that we must go in now, this afternoon. No time to discuss. Much as we had heard before in the maelstrom which is the Middle East. Surely, our allies, by which I think we mean Europe, the Atlantic Alliance or “the West,” led of course by our trusty sidekick, Britain, will fall in line. But overnight, the British Parliament voted to just say no.

And we thought we could always count on the Brits, ever since President Franklin Roosevelt sat quietly in conquest at Yalta, with Joseph Stalin and Winston Churchill on either side in February 1945. The iconic photo would mark the ages.

Or not. Possibly it would only mark the WW II post-war period, which might be about finished by now, as the conquistador’s dominion classically runs roughly only 70 years.

Next year we celebrate, if that is the correct phrase, the 70th anniversary of the publication of the “long telegram,” an icon as famous as that storied photograph. It was a plan for the future with America at center, designed by the legendary policy advisor George Kennan, from which came the domination of western and world culture by American initiatives, American culture and the American dollar, from which came the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and the wall of containment of the Soviet Union.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

The only reason Russia is our enemy now is that NATO decided that Russia was still our enemy and acted accordingly.

BS, Russia has been preparing for war for a long time and has never ceased their subversive active measures against the West. NATO, if anything, has drawn down and gotten even weaker, while Russia gets Nuclear treaties that force the United States to downsize while the Russians continue to build their own nuclear forces up to parity. The anti-Nuke/NATO crowd is and always has been KGB/FSB inspired.

and a resurgence of the traditional Russian cooperation between the state and the Orthodox Church, I’m going to side with the latter.

Because you are horribly uninformed. The ROC in Russia and abroad persecutes Protestants and Catholics, including murdering them in East Ukraine and Crimea. Only 7 percent of Russians even bother to show up to church just once a month, and when they do, they're the type to march around with Joseph Stalin icons:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1987754/posts

You do not know what Russia is, and you side with our mortal enemy as a result, apologizing for their aggression by blaming the West.

[Timber Rattler]

Sure. Whatever.

[Timber Rattler]

How about Canada?

Good luck invading it and then sustaining an occupation force thousands of miles away from Mother Russia.

The days of Red Dawn are long over.

[Timber Rattler]

Or Afghanistan. Remember that phonebook size list of caveats that ISAF commanders had to carry around, showing the restrictions under which NATO forces could only be deployed against the Taliban?

Screw NATO. It's done.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

You can shove your “sure whatever” up your ass. Keep it on the Daily Paul or Alex Jones websites if you can’t rationally defend yourself. This is dangerous and important, not a toy for you to break.

[PGR88]

Advocacy against NATO is Communist Propaganda and anti-American.

Under the guise of NATO, Clinton established the first Islamic State in Europe. Under the guise of NATO, Obama and Clinton turned Libya into a failed state, and jihadi training ground, whose central bank was looted of $6 billion in gold which is still missing. Under the guise of NATO and American political correctness, socialist, dying Europe refuses to defend its own culture, while it is invaded by refugees from Africa and the 3rd world.

Let Europe defend itself.

[VanDeKoik]

If western Europe actually solidly freedom-leaning and not turning into the EUSSR then I would want NATO to stay.

Right now it’s starting to resemble the alliance that Germany had with Austria-Hungary where they found themselves “shackled to a corpse” when war came.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Meanwhile: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3317207/posts

[dfwgator]

NATO needs to redefine their mission, and instead of making Europe safe for Muslims, it needs to get back to focusing on Russia.

[Leaning Right]

The only reason Russia is our enemy now is that NATO decided that Russia was still our enemy and acted accordingly.

IMHO, that is partially correct. There's a whole list of reasons why Russia is our enemy (although I prefer the word "opponent" as of now).

And most certainly "NATO provocations" is on that list. But one must be careful with the word "provocation". What one side sees as a reasonable action, another side might see as a deliberate provocation.

It is foolish to ignore what Russia might see as a provocation. I'm not saying that the West should always avoid upsetting Russia! What I am saying is that nations have pride, and it would be wise to take that into account.

But it is also wrong to blame all of Russia's actions on NATO "provocations". As I said before, the list that explains Russia's actions is long, and only history will judge just where NATO is on that list.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

I absolutely agree

[dfwgator]

I think Kosovo was stupid, because Russia was on the verge of joining the fold in Europe, with that, though it gave the hardliners the ammo they needed to say, “See, We Told you So, you cannot trust The West.”

[Krosan]

Libya was not a NATO obligation. Some countries just decided they want to bomb Libya. They’d done it regardless of there being NATO and for example a non-NATO country Sweden participated while many NATO countries didn’t.

So far the NATO Article 5 has been invoked exactly one time - by the USA after 9/11. UK had a reason to invoke it during the Falklands War, but they didn’t want to.

[Leaning Right]

I think Kosovo was stupid, because Russia was on the verge of joining the fold in Europe...

I agree completely. It would have been nice if the US had been more clever during that period. The US and a modern Russia would have made natural allies against radical islam and a rising China.

But that opportunity was lost. Heck, US Gen. Wesley Clark even ordered an attack on Russian troops in the Kosovo area! Thankfully, the British ground commander, Gen. Jackson, refused to obey. I'm sure Russia took note of all that anyway.

None of this implies that Russia would have made a good ally otherwise. But the chance to find out was lost.

[dfwgator]

First thing NATO needs to do, kick Turkey out.

[Navy Patriot]

This writer may be a Russkie plant.

LOL, Quigley may be a GOP plant, but that would be the worst thing you could say about him.

Bernie is a loyalist to the traditional Republican Party, (not necessarily the GOP-E ruling class scum) he is a self described conservative, and fits the older, non Neo Con description, is a big Palin supporter (a plus), and also a Romney supporter (older loyalist).

Bernie seems to some Anglophile orientation lately, and he probably doesn't like George Soros or Kosovar Albanians, so I understand your fear of him.

[River Hawk]

An Anglosphere alliance, yes, I like that. I think that’s very logical and practical.

[Navy Patriot]

...between the multiculturalist anti-Christian secularizing bureaucrats in Brussels whose main concern seems to be the health of the European banking industry and a resurgence of the traditional Russian cooperation between the state and the Orthodox Church...

That's the base strategy, all this is anti Christian, the new Progressive West, New World Order, and the Western IMF-reserve currency system to fund and profit from it.

[Timber Rattler]

[Churchillspirit]

This writer must be a Russkie plant.

Near enough, the Observer is an extremely left wing rag.