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To: anton
"I never believed his war hero story and am sure there is more to it. But, not interested."

The facts of his story are not in dispute. He is the son and grandson of Admirals. His father was an active duty Admiral at the time of his capture. Upon learning this, his Vietnamese captors were willing to let him go. He refused to leave until all of his fellow prisoners were allowed to go. This was at a time when he was on death's door and could have gone to an American hospital to save himself. Many of his fellow prisoners have stated they thought he would not live. In effect, by refusing to leave and set an example for his fellow prisoners, he was signing his own death warrant. It's a miracle that he lived.

I'm no fan of McCain the politician for many reasons, but his status as a true hero is not in dispute. This whole incident just shows how small minded Trump is. He disgusts me.
55 posted on 07/20/2015 5:04:58 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Not to beat this horse anymore but the “facts” of McCains conduct while a POW are very much questionable, he has few friends if any among former POWs and the only thing that kept a lid on the facts was the unwillingness if the POW command structure ( of which McCain was not in) to rat out their own

What’s fact is the extreme efforts of McCain the Senator to suppress information about the POWs and the MIAs and to expedite US policy to leave behind the men who never came home, while treating their families and buddies with the utmost extreme contempt and meanness .... For reasons that have never rationally been explained

Ever see war hero McCain at the big Rolling Thunder rallies in DC to honor Vietnam vets? No? Research what Rolling Thunder vets think of McCain


65 posted on 07/20/2015 5:17:37 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Its not too hard to find dispute about his war record. I just don’t care. he is an asshat.

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/02/17/in-1992-pows-accused-mccain-of-collaborating-with-vietnamese/

Among groups who oppose John McCain, the most serious charges come from a small but fervent cadre of Vietnam POW/MIA activists who accuse him of being a collaborator during his time in the Vietnamese POW camps.
Activists accused McCain of stonewalling the release of POW records because they contained evidence he had collaborated with the North Vietnamese.
They call McCain “Songbird,” and say he received special treatment. Some in the POW community even believe he was brainwashed like Raymond Shaw, the character played by Laurence Harvey in “The Manchurian candidate,” who was used as a tool by the communists to destroy America from within.

The issue boiled over in 1992 after POW families and activists felt they had been mistreated by McCain during hearings before the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. In the video above (posted at Vietnam Veterans against McCain) which was apparently shot soon after the hearings, POW advocates and experts, as well as Republican politicians, including then-Rep. Bob Dornan of California, assert that McCain was stonewalling the release of POW documents because his own records included transcripts of interviews he gave to communist and other media outlets in which he said the U.S. military had deliberately bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam.


73 posted on 07/20/2015 5:33:37 AM PDT by anton
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Oh yes,,,His hero status IS in question. We know that because he said it. That’s first.
Next, I see him smoking a cig in the videos. I don’t recall Stockdale getting a cigarette.
And it was a relatively easy choice, because he knew they had to keep him alive because of who his dad was.

But whatever happened there, it all means squat because when HE came back, he sealed his record like Kerry. He then worked tirelessly for MFN status for Vietnam, which meant giving the finger to the all the men who were left behind. McLame helped Kerry close down all further investigations and declared the issue closed.

ANd last, a hero who keeps reminding you they are a hero, is no hero.


126 posted on 07/20/2015 8:37:12 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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