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1 of 4 jailed bikers likely to be released after hearing [Waco]
Waco Herald-Tribune ^ | July 17, 2015 | TOMMY WITHERSPOON

Posted on 07/17/2015 11:54:34 AM PDT by don-o

A Bandido from San Antonio who remains jailed after his arrest in the May 17 Twin Peaks shootout likely will be released soon after an agreement Friday morning between his lawyer and prosecutors.

Joseph Ortiz, 35, a former Marine, should be free by Saturday after an agreement with prosecutors and 19th State District Judge Ralph Strother to reduce his bond from $100,000 to $20,000, according to Ortiz’s lawyer Jay Norton.

Like the other 177 arrested bikers, Ortiz’s original bond was $1 million. He is one of four who remain jailed two months after the deadly shootout at Twin Peaks restaurant that killed nine bikers and wounded another 20.

Norton had subpoenaed a number of people, documents, records and videos that were to have been the subject of a hearing Friday morning. However, after the parties met with Strother behind closed doors, they reached a number of agreements that cut the hearing short.

Twin Peaks officials agreed to release videos from the day of the shooting to Norton, who, in turn, agreed not to release it to the media. He can release it to his fellow attorneys who represent other jailed bikers.

Strother did not issue a gag order in the case — requested by First Assistant District Attorney Michael Jarrett — after the parties agreed to comply with ethical canons regarding information released to the media.

Norton agreed to withdraw his subpoenas for other evidence in the case after Jarrett pledged the state would provide him all the discovery information it has within the next 30 days.

Norton also withdrew his subpoenas for medical examiners from the Southwestern Institute of Forensic Sciences in Dallas and their records, photographs and reports. Final autopsy reports on the nine killed are pending.

Ortiz has no other charges pending against him, unlike the three others who remain in jail, but Ortiz hasn’t been able to make the $100,000 bond.

Norton told the Tribune-Herald last week that Ortiz has lost his job in the South Texas oil fields and been evicted from his home since his arrest. He said he plans to live with his brother when he gets out of jail, but added that could cause problems under the conditions of release because his brother also is a Bandido. Those released on bail are forbidden from associating with motorcycle club members.

If Ortiz is released in the next day or so, he, like many others, will be fitted for a GPS ankle bracelet to track his movements.

“Mr. Ortiz is a perfect example of what is being done incorrectly up there,” Norton said last week. “There was no investigation of Mr. Ortiz. It’s just guilty by association for being a member of an organization that it is not against the law to be a member of. No one has alleged a single overt act that Mr. Ortiz did in furtherance of any alleged conspiracy. He simply took cover in the parking lot.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: waco; wacobikers
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To: chaosagent

“I think the ‘117’ number is the number of evil bikers “

The number of guns recovered was 151.


61 posted on 07/17/2015 8:30:39 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Cboldt

“They’ve already accused them all of that!”

Apparently you haven’t read the affidavit.


62 posted on 07/17/2015 8:33:47 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Cboldt

Interesting heads up. Thanks.


63 posted on 07/17/2015 8:39:37 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media. #2ndAmendmentMatters)
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To: TexasGator

It’s Texas.

From your name, you think you’d expect a large number of guns from ANY cross section of Texas populace.

Carry on with your propaganda, though. Don’t let me slow you down.


64 posted on 07/17/2015 8:43:53 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Back in the 1970's, Iran used to call us the "Great Satan". Turns out they were right all along.)
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To: centurion316

“I take it that you have not been paying much attention to this travesty of justice in Waco. For those interested in the activities of prosecutors across this great land, also take a look into what has been going on the Madison, WI.”

I have been following both! But I don’t see anything in your reply regarding your inane comments about killing bikers. Was it sarcasm? The remark seemed to be more than extreme.


65 posted on 07/17/2015 11:04:35 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Cboldt; PAR35
In any case not releasing the autopsy results appears to be a very important point for the DA. As far as I know they haven't even used the old “tox screens aren't back yet” excuse. I know some of the dead have been buried but have all the bodies been released? I also haven't seen an interview with a wounded victim. Were they told to be quite or risk being charged? Don't recall if any of the wounded were initially charged, I suspect if so that would be why some are not talking but all of them?

https://www.google.com/#q=waco+biker+shootout+wounded+speak&tbm=nws

Returned no real exact results in the first two pages.

66 posted on 07/18/2015 5:19:07 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Section 20.)
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To: vette6387

S-A-R-C-A-S-M

Your are the first one to figure it out.


67 posted on 07/18/2015 5:48:56 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: mad_as_he$$

Re: the wounded

Name; Club; how shot; by whom shot

Ray A. Nelson Jr.; Cossack; in the neck; Bandido, his testimony
Jeffrey Veillon; Cossack; in the arm
Jeff Battey; Bandido; in upper shoulder
Reginals Weathers; Bandido; his arm, entered his chest and exited the other side
Paul Miller; in the gut
Cliff the prospect; Cossack; paralyzed from waist down
Country; in the jaw
Red Bull; in the back

The first two were not arrested but subject to forfeiture.
I don’t see Miller on the arrest list, nor a Cliff.
Battey and Weathers were arrested and subject to forfeiture.

This is all I have seen about the wounded, other than the initial report that most had shot wounds and some had knife wounds.


68 posted on 07/18/2015 6:09:14 AM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: AMDG&BVMH

Thanks. Weren’t there 20 something listed initially/


69 posted on 07/18/2015 6:12:55 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Section 20.)
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To: mad_as_he$$
-- I also haven't seen an interview with a wounded victim. Were they told to be quite or risk being charged? --

That's my understanding. Even if the command is illegal and/or unconstitutional, there are good reasons to hold communications. The burden is on the government to justify its actions.

At this point, the secrecy is claimed to be justified on the grounds of not compromising an ongoing investigation, and not tainting the jury pool.

I can point to some anonymous accounts that claim to be first hand. See amyirenewhite.wordpress.com. Lots to read. You might also check aging rebel and conservative treehouse.

70 posted on 07/18/2015 6:24:49 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: centurion316

First one to figure it out and say something ;)


71 posted on 07/18/2015 6:26:11 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: mad_as_he$$

The number of wounded was stated as 18 (originally 19 but one died at the hospital). I have never seen a list of the wounded. What I have been able to find out was in biker statements in the forfeiture document and Weather’s testimony at his bond reduction hearing, etc.

BTW both Bandido and Cossack versions are in basic agreement that Cliff the Cossack prospect “initiated” the confrontation either by “disrespecting” the Bandido Club President as he was parking, and/or got his foot run over, and then Cossacks and Bandidos went into the foray to defend their own.

Cliff, the prospect, is paralyzed from the waist down.

Some have speculated that the foray was instigated by LE dressed as Cossacks. Does anyone know if Cliff the Cossack prospect is LE? If so, he did not take off his Cossack garb and cross over to the LE side, as some have speculated.


72 posted on 07/18/2015 6:32:27 AM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: centurion316; Lazamataz
"we should kill whoever we suspect ..."

Plus anyone who rubs us the wrong way, we don't have to put up with any that sort of thing, we have the power, use it.

They don't need to kill anybody. The law has already allowed our civil servants to leapfrog due-process and legally punish/destroy lives permanently first, either by being shot to death, or consignment to years of heavy expenses and procedures for due process in court.

At the point of a gun.

73 posted on 07/18/2015 11:27:08 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: hadaclueonce
Could Texas gator be the owner of the ankle monitor company? He has some kind of skin in this game.

LOL!! Love it!! {^) BUMP!

74 posted on 07/18/2015 11:32:16 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Cboldt
The legal machinations relating to this event will be playing out for a decade, I'll bet. In the end, justice will be murdered.

Justice has already been murdered.

75 posted on 07/18/2015 11:36:50 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny
-- Justice has already been murdered. --

Pretty much. But the courts will abuse the corpse, to make sure we all "get the message."

76 posted on 07/18/2015 11:42:34 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: don-o

Ping to later


77 posted on 07/18/2015 1:27:24 PM PDT by truth_seeker (come with the outlws.)
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To: Finny

I agree that due-process violation is possible and is occurring. Right now, it is the exception, but if we know anything about government, it is that the exception becomes the rule when it comes to increasing its power.

Someone made an incredible post not too long ago: “In a very short period of time, these will be the good old days.”


78 posted on 07/18/2015 8:48:59 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("In a very short period of time, these will be the good old days." -- unknown Freeper, 2015)
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To: hadaclueonce
Could Texas gator be the owner of the ankle monitor company? He has some kind of skin in this game.

That, or former Fed. Or paid provocateur. Something.

79 posted on 07/18/2015 8:49:54 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("In a very short period of time, these will be the good old days." -- unknown Freeper, 2015)
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