Posted on 07/14/2015 5:15:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Excuse us for borrowing the same standard of discrediting the institution that Protestants so joyfully proclaim.
Look to your own ministers’ sins. Look at your choir masters - mostly gay guys hanging around boy choirs. How many gay Protestant clergy are there? How many gay marriages being performed by gay and women clergy? Just because there are hundreds of splits and schisms and denominations does not mean that as a whole there are many predators within the ranks of the Protestant church. In other words, people in glass houses...
St. Augustine: “It is not the merits of the consecrator that the sacrament is wrought, but by the Creator’s word and power of the Holy Spirit.” I would judge that the most important thing in Catholicism is the receiving of the Communion - while in a state of grace, of course.
My Liberal Catholic mother was very bothered by my conservative bent. So was my liberal/socialist Father!
Verga take note!
LOL
Right.
Maybe for you. Maybe not for others, hopefully.
"For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it." (Isaiah 55:10,11)
Actually, some of them use the spam to purposely irritate another freeper. I have complained to admins on occasion because it is hard to maneuver through these quotes to respond or read the gist of the thread properly. In other words, it’s often an hostile act here.
Then spammers need to spam people who appreciate spam. But they don’t do that, do they?
I'd be interested in learning how your interpretations of these verses leads you to the conclusion that the verses are "tangentially related."
The subject is about qualifications of church leaders and what should be done when Catholics priests are "bad men."
Catholics are brought up to understand that even priests can be bad men.
I'm listening. Go ahead.
Not in any church I’ve ever belonged to.
Would you tell us if you did go to a church with a bad minister, lol?
I'm sure YOU understand the question and it's implications.
First, you're calling God's Word "spam."
Second, you're saying that people who proclaim the true Word of God, people who handle it correctly, people who use it to guide their lives and lead others to the truth - because they know its power... these you call "spammers."
Third, God's Word will not return void. It WILL accomplish it's purpose. You don't seem to be sympathetic to that purpose since you complain about seeing God's Word on a website.
Fourth, maybe you SHOULD read those posts. Maybe you'll be changed. That's a GOOD thing.
About 30 years ago, a young, married assistant pastor was having an “inappropriate relationship” with a woman in the church office.
Matthew 18 was followed. He refused to hear and the matter was brought before the church. He was thrown out.
The hope is always for restoration. Eventually, that was realized and the man returned to serve the church (a different church, btw- but that does not matter.)
The effect on the congregation was significant and positive. Sin in the body of Christ must not be tolerated. Accountability to leaders and accountability OF leaders is absolutely needed in the church.
What was the nature of the “inappropriate relationship?” - It was not sexual. It was intimacy- but not physical intimacy. The man was sharing with the woman what he should have been sharing with his own wife. He was violating her trust. He was violating the principle of “oneness” that should exist exclusively between a husband and a wife.
Today, the man and his wife have an excellent relationship. God and God’s people forgive. Everyone has been restored.
My 93 year old Catholic MIL firmly believes that if a Pope is about to make an error on Church dogma he will be struck dead by God. No wonder she believes it. I wonder with today’s science that it would be possible to kill a Pope and get away with it. I doubt it.
Inappropriate relationship not sexual....my friend calls it an emotional affair. Makes sense.
This is getting interesting!
>>But I also think there will be a lot of people called out of “organized churches” - that doesn’t mean they’ll be lone wolves necessarily.
Not all will be lone wolves, but most will be. Every person I know who has “given up organized religion” and still claims to be a Christian quickly becomes a moral therapeutic deist. The ones who are drawn by the Holy Spirit usually start searching again after a period in the wilderness of MTD and find a church that has standards and strongly-held beliefs that are bible-based. The rest are content to be what they are.
If the minister was bad and the church board didn’t do anything about him, I’d leave the church and find another one that follows Scripture.
The personal state of the priest in question is irrelevant.
That is a very shaky statement...in order for the Eucharist to be valid, there must be:
proper form
proper matter
and a proper intention of the confecting priest
Of course, we can’t know the intention of any priest, including renegades, but there it is...
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