Posted on 07/14/2015 5:15:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
I said their writings were full of lies and deceptions.
No you didn’t; go back and check your thread postings. Y0u never mentioned ‘writings’...please don’t lie and be deceptive about lies and deception...
Such as your writings for example.
I have written one premise on this topic; that the SSPX practices the identical worship of the Catholic Church up until the mid 1960’s; what is untrue and deceptive about that premise...
Obviously you’re irritated because I illustrated the lack of logical thought in your position...your stipulation seems to be that identical worships is laudable for one entity and schismatic for another, nonsensical on its face value...
Typical SSPX lies and deceptions. From post 82:
"SSPX websites and literature are full of lies and deceptions." [ECO]
So you don’t listen to him. Period. An unjust law ceases to bind. What are they going to, force you to say the Novus Ordo at gunpoint?
We are in the mess we are in because we as laity became too passive in the defense of tradition. If gutting the liturgy were tried in an Eastern Orthodox country, they would have thrown the Patriarch out on his ear.
As far as Africa goes, I place my hope in the African Church, not African government—and the same goes for ours. At any rate, I have a hard time singling them out for barbarically driving around in jeeps and hacking people up with machetes while we are burning babies with saline in the womb and indoctrinating children into sodomy.
Blessed Pope John Paul II was a good man, a holy man, a smart, humble man who did good works, who fought against the Nazi’s and the Communists/Socialists. When he spoke, people knew they were in the presence of a special man. I keep a picture of Pope John Paul and pray to him that the Church will purge itself of the Communist stronghold. Don’t forget the power of prayer, and in particular group prayer. Say the Rosary often. Do not forsake God..pray to Him.
Since you were asked for a specific link to back up your assertion, you can go ahead and post it here without *making it personal*. You are simply providing the requested information.
I’ve learned in the past to not read FReepmails from you.
Good Points! This too, shall pass. Maybe we won’t be living here on earth, but it will pass. The Church will still be here.
BTW, I miss JPII as well. He became Pope when I was 14. When someone says Pope, he’s the visual I get. Can’t help it.
I agree with maybe 50% of that.....I certainly concur that the PCA and the PC USA are totally different.
But I also think there will be a lot of people called out of “organized churches” - that doesn’t mean they’ll be lone wolves necessarily.
As for not solving anything: The billions over the centuries since, who followed Protestantism would adamantly disagree with you.
OK caught ...apparently Verga does "investigations" of the posters on FR to find out the "dirt" on them ....unfortunately the only thing he can find out on me is I am a registered democrat ... no porn pictures or police record.. .
I have been a registered democrat for over 50 years.. the party my dad was active in .. I am not ashamed of that ..
The first presidential election I voted in I voted for Goldwater ... never voted for Kennedy ( a shirt tail relative of my husband)...( did ya find that out too Verga ??)
I have never changed parties to reflect my voting record.. this allows me to vote for the most conservative one running in my 85% RC liberal democrat area ..
But I have to say this...if I was a Republican I would hang my head because of their week kneed leadership
Party affiliation is only useful for voting in the primaries.
It means nothing in the general election.
The only time I vote my party affiliation is in the primaries.
During the general election, I vote as conservative as I can.
IOW, the *dirt* means nothing.
MM at some point intelligent people learn that I never make a claim I can't back up.
BTW GC pinged 4 people not 2.
BTW I didn't "dig it up", it was given to me by another freeper.
BTW this is also the pat where a mature Christian would admit that I was correct.
Then why didn’t you in the first place instead of making an issue of it?
Don’t tell me what or how to think. Catholics can and do receive Holy Communion from “bad men.” These “bad men” still are able to transform bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus Christ. That’s basic Catholic theology.
Please refrain from Bible-spamming me, ok? I don’t read them and it’s a waste of your blue ink.
Why doesn't the church follow it?
Qualifications for elder and deacon.
1 Corinthians 5:1-13 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father's wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.
For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.
Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
That precludes taking communion with someone like that.
2 John 1:4-11 I rejoiced greatly to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as we were commanded by the Father. And now I ask you, dear lady—not as though I were writing you a new commandment, but the one we have had from the beginning—that we love one another. And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it. For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
Titus 1:5-16 This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you— if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. For an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.
For there are many who are insubordinate, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision party. They must be silenced, since they are upsetting whole families by teaching for shameful gain what they ought not to teach. One of the Cretans, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, not devoting themselves to Jewish myths and the commands of people who turn away from the truth. To the pure, all things are pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled. They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work.
1 Timothy 3:1-13 The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.
Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain. They must hold the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. And let them also be tested first; then let them serve as deacons if they prove themselves blameless. Their wives likewise must be dignified, not slanderers, but sober-minded, faithful in all things. Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well. For those who serve well as deacons gain a good standing for themselves and also great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 5:19-24 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Sexual Immorality Defiles the Church
1 Corinthians 5:1-13 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father's wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.
For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.
Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people—not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
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