Posted on 07/10/2015 6:51:38 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ
..But what about Trump’s contention that Mexico is sending us criminals and rapists? In fact, the very opposite is true. Mexican immigrants, legal and illegal, like all immigrants, have lower rates of criminal behavior than the native born...
...As for incarceration rates, immigrant men ages 18 to 39 are less than half as likely to be incarcerated than native-born men the same age, according to the Ewing study.
Mexican men are even less likely to be incarcerated: Their rates are one-third that of natives with similar demographic characteristics.
And Salvadoran and Guatemalan men are incarcerated at one-fifth the rate of native-born men without a high school degree — the group most likely to commit violent crimes....
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
Yes, I agree.
But she makes some pretty big claims that are core to our position in the excerpt I stated.
I just want to be able to take it down in conversations I will have this weekend where I can actually have influence.
These associates of mine can be easily swayed from RINO to Conservative positions and usually they look to me to be their final piece of information before they land. They will quote these stats and I was hoping I could get some more assistance than just pointing out her personal lack of credibility.
I have the stats from the earlier Rush post.... but the fact they are in direct contrast leaves me in a lurch.
Well, of course the illegals’ incarceration rates are low. That’s because THEY ALL GET TURNED LOOSE!
/Sam Kinison scream
Here is another collaboration:
The Myth of Immigrant Criminality and the Paradox of Assimilation: Incarceration Rates among Native and Foreign-Born Men
Ruben G. Rumbaut
Walter Ewing
They work for the
Here are their accomplishments in 2012 for the “American” Immigration Council
2012
Obtained the release of key documents regarding H-1B fraud investigations by USCIS and DHS.
Published new practice advisories that offer strategic insight and advice on timely issues so that immigration attorneys may better represent their clients.
Taught hundreds of 5th graders about immigration through our annual “Celebrate America” Creative Writing Contest.
Guided over 200 high school students as they explored immigration issues on their own communities as they design service-learning projects.
Provided much needed resources that educators and parents can use to introduce their children to the world of immigration.
Launched a nationwide youth multi-media contest that focused on celebrating America as a nation of immigrants.
Produced several events around the country lifting up exceptional immigrants who have made an extraordinary contributions to our country.
Organized a series of timely, informative teleconferences on prosecutorial discretion and administrative advocacy.
Created special reports, blogs and other documents geared toward education policy makers and the public ensuring the immigration debate is based on facts nor fear.
Launched new program initiatives to investigate the benefits of the on-going relationships instituted by intercultural exchange.
Expanded and improved the work of our International Exchange Center, one of the most respected programs in the country.
http://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/yearly-accomplishments
Nothing at all is hard to understand about that, for me.
Trust me; ending illegal immigration and seriously restricting legal immigration to countries with historically compatible values only is in my top 3 priorities in my political concerns and how I vote. I don’t like this invasion and I believe ending is the first step to changing anything back to the way it was around here. You don’t need to sell me on that, let me tell you.
I just need to be able to show why her stats are bunk.
Re: Water Ewing
“Government statistics on who is being removed from the country can be somewhat deceptive,” says Walter Ewing, a senior researcher for the American Immigration Council who helped author a report released this week that argues immigrants are less likely to be criminals than native-born U.S. citizens.
The number of criminal aliens in federal prisons in fiscal year 2010 was about 55,000, and the number of SCAAP criminal alien incarcerations in state prison systems and local jails was about 296,000 in fiscal year 2009 (the most recent data available), and the majority were from Mexico. The number of criminal aliens in federal prisons increased about 7 percent from about 51,000 in fiscal year 2005 while the number of SCAAP criminal alien incarcerations in state prison systems and local jails increased about 35 percent from about 220,000 in fiscal year 2003. The time period covered by these data vary because they reflect updates since GAO last reported on these issues in 2005. Specifically, in 2005, GAO reported that the percentage of criminal aliens in federal prisons was about 27 percent of the total inmate population from 2001 through 2004.
Based on our random sample, GAO estimates that the criminal aliens had an average of 7 arrests, 65 percent were arrested at least once for an immigration offense, and about 50 percent were arrested at least once for a drug offense. Immigration, drugs, and traffic violations accounted for about 50 percent of arrest offenses. About 90 percent of the criminal aliens sentenced in federal court in fiscal year 2009 (the most recently available data) were convicted of immigration and drug-related offenses. About 40 percent of individuals convicted as a result of DOJ terrorism-related investigations were aliens. SCAAP criminal aliens incarcerated in selected state prison systems in Arizona, California, Florida, New York, and Texas were convicted of various offenses in fiscal year 2008 (the most recently available data at the time of GAO's analysis). The highest percentage of convictions for criminal aliens incarcerated in four of these states was for drug-related offenses. Homicide resulted in the most primary offense convictions for SCAAP criminal aliens in the fifth state--New York--in fiscal year 2008. GAO estimates that costs to incarcerate criminal aliens in federal prisons and SCAAP reimbursements to states and localities ranged from about $1.5 billion to $1.6 billion annually from fiscal years 2005 through 2009;
Now THIS is helpful.
I wish it was more current, but this is some good stuff I can memorize, internalize and educate on.
Thank you, sir or madam.
You are certainly welcome. I was wondering where George Wills on Laura Ingram’ show came up with his arguments that because Illegals are here, the country is safer than it was before they came in droves.
That is crazy. What kind of dialogue followed?
That is like me saying that before we had the light bulb it was easier to light a town up brightly.
I saw your other concerned post trashing Trump with this tired hit piece from La Raza Whore Chavez .
i have alerted the Admins about your troll activities.
I have your zapped !
Facts.....
MORE THAN 347,000 CONVICTED CRIMINAL IMMIGRANTS AT LARGE IN U.S.
According to a March 2, 2015 “ICE Weekly Departures and Detention Report” there were 168,680 convicted criminal immigrants who had final orders of removal but who remained at large in the U.S.
Another 179,018 convicted criminal immigrants with deportation cases pending also remained at large.
In 2013 the Obama administration released 36,007 criminal immigrants who had nearly 88,000 convictions. Those convictions included 193 homicide convictions, 426 sexual assault convictions, 303 kidnapping convictions, and 1,075 aggravated assault convictions.
In 2014 the administration released another 30,558 criminal immigrants, who had a total of 79,059 convictions. The convictions included in the 2014 releases included: 86 homicide convictions, 186 kidnapping convictions, 373 sexual assault convictions, 449 commercialized sexual offenses, 1,194 battery convictions, 1,346 domestic violence convictions, and 13,636 DUIs.”
As staggering as these numbers are it only represents the small number of the invading forces we caught. As to prison population and costs, it’s quite sobering.
The GAO estimates 25% of the federal prison population are illegals with an average of 7 arrests.
“CRIMINAL ALIEN STATISTICS: Information on Incarcerations, Arrests, and Costs “
This does not include state, county or city prisons and jails. The cost to just the STATE of CA is $1,000,000,000.
“Of the immigrants in state prison, the most come from Mexico, according to the CDCR data. As of December 2010, they show a total of 15,985 inmates from our neighbor to the south. Of those, 1,928 are listed as being here legally, having no ICE hold.
Another 14,057 California prisoners are illegal immigrants from Mexico that are on an ICE hold or potential hold.
It gets worse…..
Illegal immigrants account for about 3.5 percent of the U.S population, they represented 36.7 percent of federal sentences in FY 2014
According to U.S. Sentencing Commission data for FY 2014 of 74,911 sentencing cases, citizens accounted for 43,479 (or 58.0 percent), illegal immigrants accounted for 27,505 (or 36.7 percent), legal immigrants made up 3,017 (or 4.0 percent), and the remainder (about 1 percent) were cases in which the offender was either extradited or had an unknown status
Broken down by some of the primary offenses, illegal immigrants represented 16.8 percent of drug trafficking cases, 20.0 percent of kidnapping/hostage taking, 74.1 percent of drug possession, 12.3 percent of money laundering, and 12.0 percent of murder convictions.
The monetary costs are mind boggling. The destruction of our communities is incalculable .
The complete collapse of American culture was NOT an “accident”. It didn’t “just happen”. It’s the generational product of multi-culturalism and “diversity” of the Neo-Marxists who control our schools.
For those that are interested read the Ewing study, look at that doc sources. Complete joke!
Are you joking?
Check my join date, moron.
You will not have me zapped, because I am the furthest thing from a troll we have here.
I’ve been a monthly donor, on this site for over a decade and nothing in any of my posts is trying to get Trump.
I’m trying to do the opposite, if you even took a second to read any of my questions.
Perhaps the admins will do the right thing and have you zapped for being such a dim-witted ignoramus and trying to start trouble where this is none.
Why not try even looking at my posting history. I bet compared to my posts you would look like someone from DU.
Sheesh. I’m surprised you have even lasted on this site with such a ridiculous accusation as that.
“With similar demographic characteristics”—did you all get that? She couldn’t actually refute Trump’s claim, so she decided to make up her own, narrow, self-serving subset of Americans to compare the Mexicans to.
That she had to do this to try to make her point confirms that, as we all know, Trump was right.
And furthermore, I support Trump and all his statements whole-hardheartedly.
He’s my no.2 behind Ted.
If this were real life and you just approached me in a real argument with those manners you’d have some trouble, son.
14-years ago
Chavez Withdraws As Labor Nominee
Tuesday, Jan. 9, 2001
Chavez appeared with other immigrants who said she had helped them as she did the Guatemalan, Marta Mercado, in 1991 and 1992, taking her into her home and giving her money but never, she said, as an employee.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010109/aponline172303_000.htm
I didn’t miss the text, but you are correct and helpful. I did indeed miss the way she was using it. Taking a subset of our criminal class and comparing it against the entire population of the illegal class.
Now it all makes sense. Thank you, this was the insight I was looking for. Now I have a clear and easy refutation point this weekend that is easy for people to understand.
Thank you, 9yearlurker, for actually helping a fellow Freeper out with a reasonable request that I made because of my genuine alarm when I was in bed reading my Post App and saw Chavez’s garbage.
Now as for that other idiot who tried to report me as a ‘troll’: I hope you take this as an example of what FR is and how we actually use it to help each other.
Especially since I pre-date you here by over half a decade.
Thank you, sir or madam. Very helpful. Perfect.
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