Posted on 07/09/2015 7:13:24 AM PDT by Abathar
PONTIAC (WWJ) – An Oakland County judge has sent three children to a juvenile detention facility for failing to have a relationship with their father, saying it’s one of the worst cases of parental alienation she’s ever seen — even comparing the children to the Charles Manson cult.
Circuit Judge Lisa Gorcyca declared the children — ages 9, 10 and 15 — in civil contempt of court during a hearing on June 24. The children were taken into custody and hauled off to Children’s Village after declining to have lunch with their father.
“It’s a very troubling case, no doubt,” said WWJ Legal Analyst Charlie Langton. “But you have to go way back to get the whole story. This is not just a lunch with dad. This goes back well more than that.”
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My gut reaction about this is let the kids make up their own minds. If they really want to spend time with their Dad they will make it quite clear to their mother (and probably make her life miserable to boot until she gives in).
I am happy for your client. I don’t know why in the world a parent would distance a child from the other parent... hatred, I guess. I have to also applaud your client working on allowing a safe relationship with the mom.
Perhaps, but “she’s a bat guano crazy beach” is the way to bet...
The judge can’t give custody to the father now. He is in Israel.
The kids don’t want to talk to the father because they’ve seen him beating their mother. Who knows what is really going on.
The judge is crazy. She thinks the kids are like Manson? They all sound loony.
She doesn’t think the kids are like Manson, she is comparing the mother to Manson. Manson brainwashed those who followed him into believing crazy things.
For example, the kids claim that they saw their father beating their mother. But if the father never did beat their mother, and something tells me he didn’t and the court knows he didn’t, then the memories that the children have are evidence of brainwashing by the mother.
The trouble is that the Mom has had years of custody in which to convince these kids that their Dad is some sort of bad guy. I don’t think young kids can make a fair and informed decision under those circumstances. And what they do is going to have an impact on the rest of their lives.
Seems like the mother should be the one locked up.
Custody of the State? The article doesn’t mention a foster home but a detention center. It can be called a “Children’s Home” but sounds by the description... as a juvenile detention center which is a jail. IMHO.. perhaps foster care together. Dad has visitation at the foster home while family therapy is going on. Then Dad gets the kids. Not perfect... but it is at least a plan. Note: Dad may have to leave Israel and come home to the states.
As stated, it’s not “criminal”, it’s basically like a foster holding pen/orphanage.
Custody can be changed, not just at the divorce. Happened for my brother.
I don’t know about child refusals.
Why? Because they are moral reprobates. Sometimes it’s nice to see someone take a stand and refuse to allow another in their lives for a change.
Also, frankly, the chaos of back&forth really may not be worth it, and running into “others” that the parents get involved with, as well as chaos for any future children of those.
Sounds like Dad is in Israel on business and lives close to the kids.
Yeah, it’s a place where the kids are not allowed to leave, so in broad definition, it is a jail. But under broadest definition, family homes are jails for kids as well.
What makes this case interesting is that the mother doesn’t get the sympathy and benefit of doubt that happens in 99% of cases.
A friend of mine had to go through a case where his ex manipulated the court during a divorce. In a three month period, she called 911 four different times screaming that her husband was beating her. The police would arrive and she would say he ran away when she called 911. He wasn’t at the house at the time. The fourth time, when they found him, he was in the next State at a big convention with hundreds of witnesses. She was warned not to call 911 again without a real emergency or she would be arrested.
When he went to court for custody of their children, one of the things her lawyer presented was the four 911 calls for domestic abuse. His lawyer was refused the chance to comment on those. So the judge didn’t care what really happened, the fact that there were four calls to 911 was all that mattered. He lost custody of his kids because of those calls.
It’s an Israeli couple.
It is a white Israeli couple.
A trip to Juvie - that will being out the love.
“.. who really knows what is going on”.
That is the problem for me. I will tell you this because I was impressed then as I am now. I worked with a woman who was divorced with a child. Okay.. to be fair, both parents realized the marriage was wrong and neither were ticked about the other wanting out. That being said, they sat down together and came up with the most brilliant child custody arrangement that I ever heard. Neither parent would do anything/make a huge decision without talking to the other parent except in an emergency. Each parent would never talk badly about the other parent. Both parents would attend school meetings, sporting events etc. Here is where it became awesome to me: each parent would sit next to each other and their new spouse would sit on the other side of them. They wanted their child to see both together instead of two “groups” in different parts of the stands (he played baseball).
She said sometimes it felt weird at first but the line of communication FOR THE SON was open for HIS BENEFIT. The son grew up and joined the military and he not only loved his parents but his step parents. He never felt like he had to choose one over the other. In fact, he told me that unlike other kids from divorce, he could never “play” the one against the other because they talked so much about what he was doing and why. Rare, I know.. but in this case... it was brilliant to me.
“Then why couldn’t the judge place custody with the Dad and allow the Mom visitation?”
The father is not living in the country so he isn’t available to take custody.
I am so sorry for your friend. Sounds like he needed a more aggressive lawyer that would present the police reports (that showed them as unfounded) or present the officers to say he wasn’t there. These cases are dirty, ugly and never to the benefit of the kids. As for the judge in your friend’s case.. shame on him/her. He should have wanted ALL the facts in the case for the BENEFIT of the children.
If you’re trying to imply that these people are Muslim, you’re dead wrong. They’re Jewish.
The father is lucky the judge is on his side.
Back around 2005 there was a worker at my plant who had custody of his teenage daughter and the wife was crazy like this one.
She had a young girlfriend of the daughter make a claim with the police that the father had molested her. Andy was ultimately arrested, arraigned and thrown in jail.
After all was said and done, the girl was found to have lied but not before Andy's reputation was destroyed.........
In the case of these kids, I think they've been too badly damaged mentally over the past 6 years to be able to live peacefully with the father at this point.
If Dad is only temporarily living in Israel.. I guess it could wait. If he is living there full time.. well, hate to say it.. but this poses a huge problem for the kids. Please don’t see this example as being snarky, just honest: do you ever see relatives a lot? You know the type.. they come for the holidays, birthdays, call your parents to chat? Now, do you have relatives that you only see at weddings and funerals? Which set of relatives do you feel like you know better.. that are more in your life? If Dad is living there full time, he has a decision to make IMHO. Try to get a job in the US near or somewhat near the kids or become the relative that the kids see now and again.
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