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To: Crystal Palace East
Before I respond, please accept both my appreciation for a reply. It frequently disappoints that the question is rarely answered.

Only when you are prepared for the LEOs, and often, many of their well armed and well trained friends, to shoot back.

Just like elections, bullets have consequences.... and they go both ways.


Quite so. Whether in individual defense of liberty or the pursuit of State transformation, the enemy has a vote.

And if you survive that encounter, you must be ready to put your life and liberty in the hands of a jury that MUST all agree your actions were proper and MUST all agree you had NO remedies other than shooting, or they will imprison you or ask that you be executed.

That is the real world answer.


Practically speaking, yes.

That is the answer in the instant case, and every case.

Except the case we consider, which I admit was not clear. I will then restate the question, with clarification in mind and clearness as an express value:

When is it time to consider the political bonds dissolved, and uniformed agents of the State as open armed domestic enemies of freedom?

That is the decision point I am referring to and not that of self-defense or situationally justifiable homicide.

Do you have a decision point?

My assumption is both yes, and that it's not my business. I would be appalled to hear that there wasn't one... from any fellow human being.
116 posted on 07/06/2015 10:02:30 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale (III% | 4GW)
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To: Robert Teesdale

Again, you ask good questions.

I’m sorry that I do not have an exact or easy answer to your important question, because so much would depend on the instant circumstances... and perhaps my life experiences.

Are we anywhere near armed rebellion now? No, although I see us on a road to that if it is not reversed.

I have made preparations to convert all my assets to hard, transportable ones, and leave the US if necessary. Actually, I would not consider it leaving the US, but rather the US having left me/us. That could occur sooner than later, due to a combination of political, racial, personal security and economic issues.

I would go where other Americans, similarly situated, have already “bought” a good government.

In the US currently, the question is one of, as you described it, “political bonds.” Are political bonds driven only by the Constitution, or are they driven in part by the last election? If only by the Constitution, then the Constitution as interpreted by whom?

Some interpretation will always be needed. For example, some court decided that Freedom of the Press also includes the freedom to air uncensored news on Radio and TV, and that was certainly not in the Constitution.

That was a good decision.

However, some other idiot decided the (non-existent) “Constitutional Right to Privacy” guaranteed the “right” to abortion on demand. It was, and obviously is, in a purely legal sense, a States issue.

P.S., Had a prof who asked, if the Right to Privacy is sacrosanct in terminating a pregnancy, then why do so many young people try to ensure everyone knows they are possibly starting a pregnancy, with noisy and/or public sex?

Regarding killing, I’ve killed or caused the killing of too many people in war, and too many tried to kill me. It’s pure luck (and a good XM177E2) that I am here.

I used to be a frequent hunter, and have no problem with it, but I now hunt only to provide meat for an Appalachian orphanage. (At least that’s my excuse!)

Actually, I think hunting would be more challenging if we gave guns to all the deer and bears.... but I digress.

F**K Ho Chi Minn and the other communist bosses, but I have been back to RVN too many times, and met too many good old soldiers who only thought they were doing right to want to engage in any more killing. They didn’t know anything more about socialism and communism than the typical inner city infantryman knew about Adam Smith and the Western economy. ... but if it comes down to me, the Mrs, the kids and grandkids, etc, and frankly, some local shopkeepers, etc. vs. some perps with guns; Mr. Glock and I will ensure the perps are DRT.

The problem isn’t the gun. The problem is the political issue, and absent the exact surroundings, I don’t have an exact answer for you.

All the best,


117 posted on 07/06/2015 11:22:01 AM PDT by Crystal Palace East ("We Must All Hang Together, or Assuredly We Will All Hang Separately" B. Franklin)
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