Shadowy jet: The F-35's stealth capabilities are part of the reason it will fly and fight in a new way
Posted on 07/03/2015 8:55:41 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
Air combat is advancing at such a pace and about to head in a new direction that reports of a hi-tech F-35 fighter “losing” a simulated dogfight to a 1970s-design F-16 are irrelevant to the new stealth jet’s future, according to an ex-RAF group captain.
The advanced systems and sensors aboard the F-35 mean its pilots will fly and fight in a new way, and the jet should not be measured using the same standards as older fighters, according to Andrew Linstead, who spent 27 years in the RAF flying in Tornados.
His comments came after a test pilot’s report was leaked that indicated his 2 Comments at close-in dogfighting because it was too sluggish.
The RAF is buying a fleet of the jets to equip its new aircraft carriers.
“I can understand the scepticism that people might have,” said Mr Linstead. “People are using metrics they know, understand and may have an emotional attachment to but they have to think about it differently. If you look at the development of air combat over the years then there have been two main themes: aircraft performance and the struggle for situational awareness.
“Speed, height and agility all developed but for many years situational awareness was all visual. It wasn’t until radar in the Second World War that we saw the first mechanism for trying to gain an advantage there.”
Performance and technical developments such as better radar and missiles that can shoot targets beyond visual range continued apace to produce so-called “4th generation” fighters such as the Typhoon and F-18 that are the pinnacle of these two streams of technology.
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Shadowy jet: The F-35's stealth capabilities are part of the reason it will fly and fight in a new way
Another blast from War is Boring
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/one-analyst-predicted-the-f-35s-s-dogfight-failure-50a942d0cf8a
Problem is they have already come out and said the systems in the f-35 are already outdated.
An F-35 may be able to shoot you down before you ever see it, but once within visual range give me an Su-27 flanker. Take out a few satellites and the F-35 is blind anyway.
They always say it will be different, but it is not. If I remember correctly, the venerable old F-14 could fight 4 or 5 different aircraft, all BVR of 100 miles, shoot and kill all of them before they even knew the Tomcat was in the area. This is nothing new, the Tomcat did this 30+(?) years ago. Oh, and they discovered AGAIN that the aircraft still had to dog fight.
The F-35 is a pig and I do not believe it will ever become a front line fighter that can do everything. The F-111 still has not taught them anything. Did someone say McNamara returned from the grave to help promote this disaster?
“Performance and technical developments such as better radar and missiles that can shoot targets beyond visual range”
And yet the 35 allowed the 16 to get close enough to kill it.
“The F-35’s stealth capabilities are part of the reason it will fly and fight in a new way”
Like the early Phantoms did in Vietnam, except they got shot out of the sky by MIG’s the “old way” - after they were out of missiles, they were targets. And as far as stealth is concerned, I can see it.
If McNamara were alive today he should go down to the wall, kneel and beg forgiveness. He never did this when he was alive. In death he should apologize for his actions that lead to many deaths of our soldiers. Unfortunately he will will have few to apologize to as those he condemned to death are not in Hell as he is.
They have to toe the party line, regardless of how may times during wargames ECM have shut them down. They always have excuses about how in a real war that would not happen.
I worked with threat simulation, I know how they deceive themselves. Luckily for them, we use the same sort of tricks, so hopefully no one expects all their electronic toys to work if the shiite hits the fan.
The F-35 is such a groupthink nightmare, they couldn’t even get the numbering right.
“It would be trite to say dogfights are over. But if an F-35 got into a dogfight situation then the pilot would have probably done something wrong.”
May not say it all, but a lot, something wrong = something fatal.
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Active Duty ping.
What a pantload. Its far slower than a Sukhoi, can’t turn, can’t accelerate, and has less range.
But all this doesn’t matter they say, because it was will stealthy and will use cool electronics and missiles to blow up everything.
One question then. If this is true, then why not a very large stealth fighter platform the size of a bomber? It would have tremendous range and endurance. It could carry dozens or even a hundred missiles.
I mean, speed and the ability to maneuver simply don’t matter anymore,,,,right? Right?
OK, so if that's true, why didn't the pilot fly the plane the "new way" and then presumably beat the F-16? Sounds like protesting too much to me?
At least the 111 was good looking! (one of the coolest IMO)
We heard that same thing before Vietnam and North Vietnam’s air force proved otherwise.
It seems to me that the future is probably autonomous flying.
There you go, using logic against all these mental wizards...........
Our enemies will overwhelm us with sheer numbers of Last Generation Aircraft.
The cost to produce a Mig 29 for instance is chicken feed compared to the Cost of an F-35.
When they stopped Production of the F-22 at 187 Planes I believe, it was a warning that the Decision Makers are as clueless as John Kerry is negotiating with Iran.
Build 1000 F-15 Silent Eagles to fill in the Gap.
the chinese will be coming with tens of thousands of ucavs
good luck
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