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To: Teflonic

It wasn’t beaten by an F16.

It was beaten by a pilot who was better that day.


2 posted on 06/30/2015 11:55:05 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

just swap pilots and try again.


3 posted on 06/30/2015 11:56:17 AM PDT by spokeshave
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To: Vendome
It was beaten by a pilot who was better that day.

Would be interesting to switch pilots and see if the results are the same.

4 posted on 06/30/2015 11:56:24 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Vendome

Excellent point!


15 posted on 06/30/2015 12:11:45 PM PDT by navyguy (The National Reset Button is pushed with the trigger finger.)
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To: Vendome
But according to the other thread, the F-35 was unladen while the F-16 was burdened with two external fuel tanks. So it's not just the pilots; the F-16 was heavily disadvantaged in the test and still won. Can you put all of THAT on the F-35 pilot? Was he really that bad of a pilot that he was beaten by a weighed down F-16? If so, why was he selected for the test in the first place? Wouldn't we put our best on a test of a trillion-dollar plane?

What would it have been like if the F-35 were also burdened with the extra weight of armament?

-PJ

17 posted on 06/30/2015 12:14:13 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Vendome

Having read the article it was beaten by the plane not the pilot.


25 posted on 06/30/2015 12:18:07 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Vendome
That is mostly true and that is why I continue to argue that fighter drones will not be all that effective. The pilot will be in the cockpit for a long time to come.

I am biased about the F-16, I helped build them and their various AISs.

The plane has stunned everybody that has come up against it. It is a national defense treasure.

27 posted on 06/30/2015 12:19:21 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Vendome
Nope, the F-22 is not intended to be a dog fighter. USAF revisit an old fail strategy from Vietnam.

National Review Article

39 posted on 06/30/2015 12:33:06 PM PDT by 11th Commandment ("THOSE WHO TIRE LOSE")
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To: Vendome

Realistically, we would have to be in a very tight situation before they would even commit an F-35 to a combat arena where it would have a serious challenge. At $350 Million+ per copy, they could not afford to have one shot down. If one was shot down, then the Air Force would face having the program canceled, or curtailed, and they certainly don’t want to lose their new toy.


49 posted on 06/30/2015 12:45:15 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (0bama may not be THE antiCHRIST, but he's definitely ANTI - CHRIST!)
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To: Vendome

More here: The F-35 Can’t Beat The Plane It’s Replacing In A Dogfight: Report
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-f-35-cant-beat-the-plane-its-replacing-in-a-dogfigh-1714712248

Also another link at the sight:
Major Obvious: F-35 Pilot Says A-10 Will Always Be Better At Air Support

F-35 pilot Major John Wilson said the obvious in an interview with Danish aviation reporters


53 posted on 06/30/2015 12:57:21 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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