[drbuzzard]

The F-22 has thrust vectoring, the F-35 does not.

Truthfully the F-35 isn’t meant to be a dogfighter, and truth be told if you end up in a dogfight in current air to air fights, you’ve messed up.

The F-16 was always known to be extremely maneuverable.

[jonascord]

The problem you are ignoring is that the F-35 is supposed to be all things to all people. It's a gun fighter, air superiority, close air support, stealth bomber, carrier launched. But most importantly, it's making a group of recently retired generals super rich on the government teat/Lockheed programs.

So what if it can't do any of these things well enough to actually survive? It's not like anyone in the program will have to risk his life flying in combat.

Oh, wait...

[MCF]

They said exactly the same thing about dogfights in the late 1950’s.

[LonePalm]

And then there was this little gem of a picture.

That is an F-22 caught in the gun-sight of an F/A-18 Super Hornet.

"Ceterum censeo 0bama esse delendam."

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

[rbg81]

Exactly. The F-16 was specifically built to dogfight better than other A/C, especially the F-4, F-14 and even the F-15 (which was thought to be too large).

[joe fonebone]

OK... enough..

the last gunfighter was the F-8...

put this thing up against an old F-8..

my guess.... it will lose