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To: 4Zoltan
Hawaii Administrative Rules require the birth certificate for a foreign born to list the actual place of birth. Other states have similar laws here is Minnesota’s

Why this isn't relevant. For the last 7 years i've been reading articles regarding the usage of Hawaii as a gateway to American citizenship by foreigners all across the pacific rim. Hawaii has/had loose standards deliberately because there are a lot of foreigners with a lot of money who want a ticket into US Citizenship.

I've even read articles that claim this is done deliberate and complicit with the connivance of the officials who are responsible for keeping/issuing such records. I've even seen some official birth stats for Hawaii that are just shocking. This one for example.

The rest of your message I will get to another time.

282 posted on 07/05/2015 7:27:13 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp

I don’t understand that table. It looks to me like Hawaii had by far the lowest number (and percentage) of births to nonresident mothers—which makes sense, given how far away it is. Yet the caption seems to be making a point that has nothing to do with the data in the table. Can you clarify?


284 posted on 07/05/2015 2:23:49 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: DiogenesLamp; Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
Your table is based on the 1961 Vital Statistics in the United States - Volume 1 Natality.

Table 2-1 Live Births by State of Occurrence Distributed According to State of Residence: United States and Each State

Residence is defined as "Unit of residence is defined as the county or county equivalent of which the mother was a resident"

Under the explanation of the tables and the source of data is the following - Birth data for the United States are confined to events registered within the United States and include events occurring to nonresident aliens. The data do not cover any vital events for U.S. citizens occurring outside the United States. Similarly, the data for Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands are confined to events registered in these areas.

The Hawaii entries for Table 2.1

Total births occurring in the State - 17578

Birth to Residents occurring in County of Residency - 17,508

Births to non-residents - Total - 70

Births to non-residents - Intra-state non-residents - 50

Apparently in 1961 not a lot of late-stage pregnant women (50) went from the mainland to Hawaii for vacation and while there went into labor. In fact only 20 women went from one Hawaiian county to another Hawaiian county to have their babies.

285 posted on 07/05/2015 4:03:42 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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