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To: DiogenesLamp

Well if the judiciary is too stupid and Congress is cowed, why are we wasting time discussing this? It should be obvious after six and a half years of total abject failure that this issue is a political loser, which has been my basic point from day one.
Loser issues HELP Obama, they don’t hurt him.


221 posted on 07/01/2015 9:58:33 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus
Well if the judiciary is too stupid and Congress is cowed, why are we wasting time discussing this? It should be obvious after six and a half years of total abject failure that this issue is a political loser, which has been my basic point from day one.

Yes, it has been a loser for a long time, but much of the reason is the willingness of the Republican side to give Obama a pass in the first place.

There for a brief period, the Republican side took the issue seriously, but then Allahpundit and the Pilsbury Dough Boy (Ed Morrissey) et al, Declared the issue "over" on the basis of Newspaper announcements, and the rest of the rank and file followed suit.

This completely ignored the larger point of his foreign father and the accurate meaning of the "Natural Born Citizen" requirement, and the fact that Newspaper announcements existed were certainly strong evidence of 14th amendment citizenship, but not conclusive.

The Republican side threw in the towel with barely a ripple of effort and all the "geniuses" like Karl Rove, said this issue was a distraction, and so we should concentrate on losing the election.

As things turned out, it wouldn't have made much difference had they hammered the issue and failed. They failed anyway. (Thanks Liberal Propaganda networks.)

The biggest stumbling block in trying to make it a "winning" political issue was John McCain. When I voted for John McCain in the primary (everyone else sucked worse) I was not aware that he wasn't born in the United States, but on a US Military base in Panama.

What this meant is that the issue of "natural born citizen" would hurt him worse than it would Obama, so he dared not bring it up. Had anyone else been running, it would not have been a problem, but because of some strange twist of fate, the Republicans managed to nominate the only guy who COULD NOT raise the issue successfully against Obama.

This does not make the issue irrelevant, there's still some principles involved. It just became an issue that the Mainstream could not embrace because it was impossible to do anything useful with it considering the Candidate running against Obama.

They all rolled over, because there was no useful benefit to the campaign to deal with the issue.

So why are we wasting time discussing this? Because there are still principles involved, and the fact that more powerful forces have "decided" the issue, does not make them right, especially when you consider all the negative consequences which accrue as a result of dismissing the issue.

Why are we wasting time discussing roe v wade or "gay" marriage? Because some people believe it isn't finished despite what our "rulers" say.

226 posted on 07/02/2015 7:29:49 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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