Indeterminate. Useless.
record on file
Non specific. Useless.
of the fact of birth
Yes, your document proves he was born. It doesn't prove where.
Unlike credible states, Hawaii will issue these documents to children NOT BORN in Hawaii. Again, indeterminate of any useful information.
Good reply. Here is an additional thought. HI is and has been a one-party Dem state for a long time. I lived in a similar state, MA, for two-plus decades. The word ‘corruption’ doesn’t begin to describe it. Both parties in such a state, along with everyone else on the public payroll, is either a lying hack or else has a very, very short career. Integrity is nonexistent, literally. You have to live in that type of cesspool to truly grasp how bad it is; nothing less can give you the full gist of it.
Anyway, the idea that these HI officials told the truth is simply not credible to anyone who knows how these situations work. I.e.: as in MA, the fact that a public official said it is almost inevitably the first indication that it is a lie.
People who post the words of these hacks et al as if they resolve anything are either inexcusably naive or aggressively dishonest. We are not in the mess we’re in due to the integrity of the taxpayer-parasite class. We got here via the lies and political expediency that have become the norm. Period.
“Useless” to you. But every person in an official capacity who utilized copies of the birth vital record to make determinations on eligibility found the certification statements to be useful.
People who are familiar with government vital records understand that an “abstract” is a short form birth certificate and a “copy” is a long form birth certificate.
Those certification statements have appeared on Hawaii vital records for many years and they are the same on thousands of birth vital records.
Triers of Fact and Chief Election Officers also understand that a “record on file” is an original edition birth vital record.
There is zero proof that the state of Hawaii will issue birth certificates for children not born in Hawaii THAT SAY THE CHILD WAS BORN IN HAWAII.
Hawaii has said that like many other states, a person born in a foreign country can get a Hawaii birth certifcate that says they were born in that foreign land.
No one has ever produced an example of a birth record that says someone was born in the state of Hawaii when they were actually born someplace else.
Where is the statement that you think means that Hawaii doesn’t stand by its birth vital records?
If anyone in an official capacity had ever rejected the Obama birth record as proof of birth, you’d have a valid point but over the last seven years...nope.
If members of Congress would like to inspect the original, vault edition hard copy, they can issue a Congressional Subpoena for it and if Hawaii refused to release it for inspection, Congress Committee Chairs can go to a court and get a court order. If that is violated, a contempt of court citation allows a judge to lock the offender up in federal prison for up to 18 months or until they comply.
Its unfortunate that no member of Congress has shown any interest in pursuing this. If for no other reason than to end the birth certificate part of the debate, once and for all.
Remember Bill and Hillary Clinton’s accomplice Susan McDougall? She did 18 months in various federal prisons when U.S. District Court Judge Susan Weber Wright held her in civil contempt in the Whitewater Trial.