Posted on 06/26/2015 9:31:08 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
[Note: this is an update to an article originally posted on May 4, 2015]
Today the Supreme Court ruled 5 to 4 in favor of same sex marriage in all 50 states. My friends, we are witnessing the end of federalism in our nation. In a single vote, 5 folks basically just told the states to “stick it.”
Furthermore, we are in effect nullifying the First Amendment.
Consider this: what happens when a gay couple goes into a church wanting to plan a ceremony and the pastor says no? We now have a conflict between the First Amendment and individual behavior.
Dissenting Justice Antonin Scalia summed up his disgust with this ruling in a footnote on page 7 (note 22). He says, “If, even as the price to be paid for a fifth vote, I ever joined an opinion for the Court that began: ‘The Constitution promises liberty to all within its reach, a liberty that includes certain specific rights that allow persons, within a lawful realm, to define and express their identity,’ I would hide my head in a bag. The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie.”
With this ruling, the Supreme Court is essentially saying individuals have civil rights based on their sexual behavior, and setting up a monumental battle with the free exercise of religion. This could well be the straw that breaks the camel’s back – that camel being the up till now silent, passive Americans who have been cowed into “tolerating” societal changes that go counter to their fundamental beliefs.
As reported by the Christian Post in April, “The United States Supreme Court may soon liberate the biblically conservative church from old “prejudices” that should have long ago been “jettisoned,” forcing it into “rightly bowing to the enlightenments of modernity,” in the words of a recent writer in The New York Times.”
“Homosexuality must be removed from the “sin list” and, according to an MSNBC commentator, traditional marriage proponents must be forced “to do things they don’t want to do.” Sadly, this crusade will be like the Marxist “liberation” movements that promised to “free” people, but really were about control and suppression. The culmination may come as the Supreme Court hears oral arguments on same-sex marriage cases beginning April 28. By July 1 the Court possibly will issue an official ruling regarding the constitutional right to homosexual marriage. The Court’s decision may impact the form of biblically based churches dramatically. Churches that hold to a strict and conservative interpretation of the Bible’s teaching about gender and marriage may find themselves “Romanized”. The elites of first century Rome would not allow the church an institutional presence in society. “The Christian churches were associations which were not legally authorized, and the Roman authorities, always suspicious of organizations which might prove seditious, regarded them with jaundiced eye,” writes Kenneth Scott LaTourette.”
I found the statement “rightly bowing to the enlightenments of modernity” as rather odd. And the comments from the MSNBC commentator of “traditional marriage proponents being ‘forced’ to do the things they don’t want to do” as somewhat threatening.
These statements by progressive socialists are indicative of a lack of regard and respect for the First Amendment right of religious liberty. Here is where I see an incredible philosophical battle looming. Now that SCOTUS has ruled there is a constitutional right to marriage – which I fail to see how that could be construed — and the radical gay left decides to push the envelope against churches, it will be a strategic miscalculation for the liberal left.
This is why the solution of civil unions should have been the solution. If the country is “forced” to accept something that goes counter to a traditional value, there will undoubtedly be push back. And that push back will result in a galvanizing issue which I do not believe the liberal progressive left fully comprehends.
It’s simple — in the 2012 presidential election there were some five to seven million evangelical Christian voters who sat it out. They were not inspired and therefore did not participate. However, I believe with this decision, the left has overextended itself — as it has already based on courts overturning electorate decisions – and you will see a social conservative issue that will have greater prominence. Some on the center-right will say, drop it, that’s a bad policy recommendation. This issue will not lend itself to dismissal and cognitive dissonance — there must be a solution. The social conservative issue of marriage will not be thrown upon the ash heap. It shouldn’t be the prominent issue, but it does have cross interest appeal.
The Christian Post postulated, “What happens if local churches that do not embrace same-sex marriage find their legal status shaky or non-existent, as well as parachurch groups, conservative Christian colleges, church-based humanitarian agencies, and all other religious institutions – Christian and otherwise – supporting the traditional view of marriage. Without state-recognized corporate status everything from mortgages and building permits to employment and hiring practices is threatened – all of them essential for institutional function.”
“Journalist Ben Shapiro notes that there is already a movement on the state level “to revoke non-profit status for religious organizations that do not abide by same-sex marriage.” The Supreme Court’s decision could make churches refusing to comply “private institutions engaging in commerce,” and therefore subject to laws already in place. Refusal to perform a same-sex wedding would put a church out of business. Current trends seem to flow against conservative religious institutions. All the elites that set and propagate cultural consensus are aligned in support of same-sex marriage – the Entertainment Establishment, Information Establishment, Academic Establishment, and Political Establishment.”
However, are the entertainment, information (media), academic, and political establishments truly representative of American culture? Or do they just have a more prominent position, making us believe they have a majority opinion?
There has been little talk about how, during the Obama wave of 2008, same-sex marriage ballot proposals in two states did not win as liberal progressives and the gay left had hoped – in Florida and California. The quiet point that no one wanted to comprehend was that countless droves of black voters swarmed to the polls. And as they voted for the “first black president” they did NOT vote to bring about gay marriage in their states. Why? Because of traditional biblical beliefs. Now, in 2008, Obama stated he didn’t support gay marriage — when he decided to flip flop — the hushed-up secret was the anger and disdain this caused with many black pastors and ministers. We all know the Democrats wholeheartedly depend on an obedient black electoral patronage — what if 25 percent of blacks say no?
And let me be clear, the Hispanic community is very religious, traditional and family-oriented as well. An ill-conceived assault against the church — a rallying point across the minority communities — could bode dismay for the liberal progressives of the Democrat party heading into the 2016 election year. It could be a policy issue that works against the left and galvanizes those who support traditional marriage.
I know there are folks on the liberal progressive left who frequent this website. So here is my message. The Christian church community is a lot bigger and more powerful than you think — they kept a Republican from winning the White House. And these aren’t just old white men – there’s a growing young Christian constituency. You can criticize the Christian right all you want, but surrendering one’s faith principle for political gain is not a viable proposition. And in the case of prosecution of the Christian church, there could be a rallying of churches, regardless of race, the likes of which this nation has not seen.
The SCOTUS decision on same-sex marriage is not about the issue itself — it is about individual religious freedom and the imposition of the State’s will against faith. After all, it is the original reason why the Pilgrims fled England. And since there is no place for men and women of faith to retreat — they will make a stand. This ain’t first century Rome.
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No leftist homosexual activist would ever ask an imam to marry them; certainly no republican gay couple would, because they tend not to be activists, they just want to be left alone. So it will never come up, or go to court.
The leftists only want to target Christianity, or non liberal jews, so they will only ask pastors and nonconforming rabbis to marry them.
But it’s worse than just targeting ministers- this will target government employees, the military, justices of the peace, all church employees, religiously funded hospitals, nursing homes, private schools, religious insurance companies such as Thrivant/Lutheran Brotherhood and any equivalents of other denominations and faiths, adoptions, etc.
For now, the leftists find islam useful and the muslims for now find the leftists useful. How long they get along is anyone’s guess.
The leftists don’t give a crap about homosexuals, if they did they would be charging into the middle east guns-a-blazing against terrorists and Iran wouldn’t be getting everything it wants, plus bonuses. They would be showing the horrors inflicted on homosexuals every night on the news and throughout social media with the same fervor and devotion that they devote to global warming.
This is not about homos, it is about dismantling the foundation of the country.
You are correct.
There isn’t going to be any armed uprising or any uprising at all.
A lot of Freepers talk about the silent majority but what they leave out is that the majority is silent because they don’t care either way.
As long as the wifi works and they have ESPN and enough of a job to keep all that stuff turned on then they’re not going to risk that.
The worst that will happen is that the left over reaches and for a time maybe things level off. Then after a few years of things being level everything picks up where it left off.
Gay marriage is a perfect example. About 10 years ago states voted to not recognize gay marriage. Because of 9-11 and the war things held level. Now 10 years later everything started back right where it left off and as of this morning gay marriage is a constitutional right
“So what’s the end to all of this? Does Islam finally sweep the world after 1400 years of trying, because nothing is standing in its way.”
There isn’t an end to it. It just keeps on moving. As far as Islam if the Islamists ever move out of the desert and stay a few generations they’ll have the same problems everybody else does. Their kids won’t support Jihad they’l want to go to Disneyland and play Xbox just like everybody else.
In a few years, probably less, nobody will even remember why gay marriage was ever a big deal.
The bottom line is that the wheel is going to turn and the mighty middle is going to turn with it. You can’t unturn it.
I think Christianity is in danger but not from the Supreme Court or liberals. It’s from the mighty middle who really doesn’t believe one way or another. They may pay lip service but that’s about all.
I think it’s not so much that Christianity is dying as it is becoming irrelevant to the masses. They don’t care who marries who.
This would never fly 30 years ago because Christianity was more relevant. On the other hand back in the 40s it was more relevant still.
It’s just the march of time and you can’t unmarch it.
Islam may very well be the “discipline” which will be used to correct the wayward sons.
Islam may very well be the “discipline” which will be used to correct the wayward sons.
Why use their language? Part of the reason the queers won is they set the language agenda. They are not gay, they are coprophiles.
Since the target is Christianity, they’ll not push this against the Muslims,
and simply let them be and ignore any accusations of hypocrisy.
“what happens when a gay couple goes into a church wanting to plan a ceremony and the pastor says no? We now have a conflict between the First Amendment and individual behavior”
Look for, before the end of July, homos to actively seek out evangelical churches that refuse them in order to bring down the wrath of the State on that church.””
You just stated the plan. The queers are actually allies of the Muslims and BO knows it.
The queers are allied with the Muslims in this vicious attack on Christians. Make no mistake, BO is fully aware of this fact.
Why do you use the language of the queers?
We did it to ourselves?.. So any country that falls to tyranny did it to themselves?? Psychopathic leaders did it. They hide their identity. Take a lesson from the Muslim in power.
They will be adopting same sex kids in droves.
Yep, muslims are pro-american gay marriage because it will eliminate the Christian churches. Then beheading the few percent of homos will be an easy task. Look for A LOT more mosque in the next 3-10 years.
A grass-roots civil war is an impossibility. The left-wing control of media, education, technology and finance means that conservatives can’t win NOW and pretty every moneyed or elite conservative would switch sides rather than take their chance with the rebels: if the rebels loses, they lose everything, and if it wins, they now have to obey a bunch of guys who a few years prior were loading up their F150s at Wal-Mart the weekends?
There are maybe a high-enough percentage of Evangelical officers to start some kind of coup, but, boy, talk about your risk of unintended consequences.
Ditto
One issue not seen in the comments are the punishing thefts of large sums of money that will be extorted from all opposed to this repugnant behavior to be given to the queers and lawyers that represent them, thus we see the major reason the lawyers were behind making this “the law.”
The anus is for exit, not entry. There is no such thing as homosexual “marriage”. They can call it marriage till the cows come home, but two people engaging in sodomy does not make a marriage. It is a mental disorder that is glorified by the president of the United States as normal sexual behavior. To find out the reasons for Obama’s obsession with sodomy click below.
http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/03/10/flashback-obamas-gay-sex-cocaine-romps-with-larry-sinclair/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/08/barack-obama-gay-hustler-_n_4242447.html
Leftists need to be fought wherever they are found. Iowa and NYC. Minnesota or Hollywood.
I didn't take it as insult, FRiend.
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