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To: Kaslin
A question for anyone: Did anyone point out to the court what Gruber said about the way the law was written regarding subsidies?

“...What’s important to remember politically about this is if you're a state and you don’t set up an exchange, that means your citizens don't get their tax credits—but your citizens still pay the taxes that support this bill. So you’re essentially saying [to] your citizens you’re going to pay all the taxes to help all the other states in the country. I hope that that's a blatant enough political reality that states will get their act together and realize there are billions of dollars at stake here in setting up these exchanges. But, you know, once again the politics can get ugly around this. ...”

It seems to me this is more than a mere technicality. It is a main component of the law.
61 posted on 06/25/2015 1:22:43 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
Thank you for providing the Gruber quote.

Thanks to info I come across from talented freepers with their eye on the ball --- that was the quote I was hoping would be recalled, but could not myself remember enough about it to know where to begin looking. I see Rush is picking up on it (the quote) as are handful of other places. There were more than a few places which provided coverage and discussion for that, and related issues.

As you remarked;

Exactly. It was intended to bully State governments, and inspire volunteer citizens to bully their own State representatives into doing what the then Democrat Party-led federal government wanted them to do. By Gruber's own admission it was a deliberate feature, not a poorly edited, overlooked mistake.

From Reason.com http://reason.com/blog/2014/07/24/watch-obamacare-architect-jonathan-grube Peter Suderman, Jul. 24, 2014. (I did not test to see if video there was still functional).

A few months ago there was an interesting article here

After a couple of paragraphs well worth reading (bookmarking the entire article for later reference could be worthwhile, for even only a few of the details found in the opening paragraphs alone), beginning from part-way down in the article;

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It seems to me the "State run exchanges" where the subsidies would be supplied...would have those exchanges as a middle-man through which individuals who would be getting a tax credit through the IRS, provided the individuals obtained their health insurance through those State exchanges, whereas by design, those States which did not set up exchanges would leave citizens of those States without the tax credit?

Am I understanding this part of it correctly? if not, please somebody explain it, or provide link to some source which is could be relied upon... I don't want to tell it wrong, and leave anyone around here with an erroneous impression.

It appears to me that it was set up the way it was in order to make 'community organizers' out of all of us, (ok, enough of "us", and not just "navigators" from the Demo-crap camp) to harass our State representatives into setting up "State" health care exchanges (I HATE that term "health care exchange" -- wtf is being "exchanged"? huh? it's BULL-[expletive deleted] to the max).

So what grounds are left to fight this leviathan upon? That the IRS and HHS(?) was in effect delegated to raise taxes? And that by law (ACA), since individuals participating at State-run exchanges are to receive a tax rebate --- but others who are not in those sort of exchanges, but 'Federal' run exhanges do not (?) then in end results there is unequal tax burden?

Participate anywhere, and don't get fined by the IRS.

Participate at State-run exchanges, don't get fined by thr IRS AND get a tax rebate(?).

Federal run exchanges...IRS not after persons who participate but no rebate? Is that the way it goes...or has the Pant's on Fire Admin of the United States of America found a way to talk yet another exception into the law --- in order to cover his own backside, get what he wants, try to remain "popular", to hell with what laws actually say he just does whatever 'his people' tell him he wants to do anyway?

95 posted on 06/25/2015 9:19:11 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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