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To: nathanbedford
We do not accept lectures on our patriotic virtue or the deficiencies of our conscience lightly.

I wasn't making your patriotism an issue or declaring your conscience deficient. I'm making an issue that Article V will NOT stop the tyrants or the path they have us on. Lawless despots have no regard for the law and civility unless you submit to their will. Making new laws when they ignore current laws in the hopes they can be restrained and reasoned with before bloodshed occurs, is lunacy.

A rebellion against the American government equipped with drones, lasers, cyber warmaking capability, air power, logistics, and all the panoply of modern weapons known to man is utterly doomed to failure and dooms the nation to a horror unimaginable.

Had our Founders succumbed to the same fear of the most powerful military on the planet at the time, we would still be subjects of the Crown. How sad that the home of the brave seemingly no longer is.

To insight such a rebellion knowing the inevitable consequences when other constitutional remedies are readily available is irresponsible beyond description.

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. The consequences of appeasing tyranny on a Satanic level in a vain hope of avoiding trouble is far worse than resisting those who would render you under absolute despotism or worse.

There are no "Constitutional remedies" to removing tyranny without violence sir. None. That is WHY we have a Second Amendment. Do not lie to yourself or others. Rulers that have demonstrated they are above the rule of law and are a law unto themselves are not going to abide by any new laws we demand them to abide.

Article V is a civil preventative to tyranny. It does not offer a means to remove an entrenched tyranny, because tyrants are not beholden to anything but brute force and the threat of force. Fact of history and human nature.

In addition, tyrants and oligarchs are not sanguine about reasonable restraints on their power and do not acquiesce to laws that limit them. Even when the majority of their people demand them.

you should abandon your self-righteousness and consider the costs.

The cost? You want to live on your knees or on your knees over a trench???? If your life and comforts are worth more to you than resisting tyrants for liberty, may you and your posterity enjoy your subjugation. May your chains rest lightly.

No amount of bloodshed will resurrect 40 million dead babies.

I'm beginning to believe that no amount of praying and begging is going to deter The Almighty from pouring out His Judgment on this land for those 40 million murdered infants. You might write them off - but God will not.

As some have suggested, if the Civil War was blood for blood required of this nation for the sin of slavery - we should QUAKE in fear over what The Lord is going to require of this nation for those 40 million that cannot be brought back from the grave.

this is a matter of murder and fire on a scale you cannot even imagine.

It's coming whether we like it or not, or whether or not we all just sit here and do nothing but surrender what we have left and lick the palms of Obama, the Left and the Oligarchy to beg for table scraps and a subsidy so we do not make them mad at us.

A post-Constitutonal nation under a Marxist Oligarchy is no more going to be restrained by any new Amendments you attempt to add to to the document that has been rendered completely irrelevant.

210 posted on 06/26/2015 12:48:38 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR
because tyrants are not beholden to anything but brute force and the threat of force. Fact of history and human nature.

A post-Constitutonal nation under a Marxist Oligarchy is no more going to be restrained by any new Amendments you attempt to add to to the document that has been rendered completely irrelevant

It's coming whether we like it or not,

Well after all of this back and forth is now clear, you fall into category #2: So far it seems to me that opposition to Article V boils down to about four objections:

1. It won't work -so don't bother trying.

2. It won't work, even if it does work, because "they" will undo it, ignore it, or somehow overrule it, so don't bother trying.

3. It will work, but don't try it because it will work only for the other side.

4. No opinion on whether it will work or will not work, but the Constitution we have is just fine so the solution offered by the Constitution itself in Article V should be ignored in favor of redoubling our efforts and doing more of the same every election cycle because this time we will get different results.

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My question to you is, assuming arguendo that article 5 can be accomplished and assuming that it will restore constitutional democracy as the founders and we understand it, would you prefer Civil War?


211 posted on 06/26/2015 1:21:39 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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