Posted on 06/24/2015 9:21:37 PM PDT by NRx
Not really true. Most often the head of the household would one slaves. So if a family was composed of five or six people the numbers would look low if you considered the ratio of slaves to all free people. If you look at families or households the numbers are pretty surprising.
49% of Mississippi households and 46% of South Carolina households had slaves, and about a third of households in Alabama, Georgia, and Florida. The numbers were lower in other states. Stats here.
People could save or borrow money to buy slaves or they could inherit them. A summer home is a luxury and doesn't bring in any money. Slaves, by contrast were part of the productive economy and brought in money for their owners.
All I’m saying is folks who use the “they were only considered to be 3/5ths” don’t realize they are using the SOUTHERN side of the argument whereas the NORTHERN side didn’t want to give even that. In other words 0% human.
It was interesting. And I didn’t even have to pay! I don’t know about a book. I could check.
Interesting. The ones who seem angry are those who say heritage not hate then tells one to foad.
If the reason for counting them is representation and the southerners had no intention of allowing them to be represented why should they be counted at all?
Interestingly enough, it was the south who didn’t want them counted at all - in other words 0% human - when it came to taxation. What’s that word? Hippi....hypo...hypocritical?
And the many who emigrated were poor and experienced racism beyond the blacks of the time. Did we hear them saying "Irish lives matter" back then. No, the Irish were the poorest of the poor and there was no welfare and little charity afforded to them. Instead the signs read "No Irish need apply". They barely existed until they could find a job and even then they worked for slave wages and under perilous conditions.
OTH, the negro slaves of the Plantation era were relatively well clothed, fed, and housed by their masters. They were treated as valuable assets and were not abused as many would have you believe. Many were treated as family and given responsible positions within the master's household. Some were freed by their masters as a reward for their loyal devotion and service. Like Joseph, sold by his brothers into slavery in Egypt, they prospered while in bondage. But today, 150+ years after the last slaves were freed, only the bad deeds are remembered by their descendent's.
But the Irish and Scots overcame and rose above all manner of racism and hardships to prospered in America. And other races in similar situations did too. So why can't the blacks admit the problem may lie within themselves rather than blame the nation that has given so many an opportunity to succeed? The door which has been open to them since the Civil War is still open if they will seek to find it and work to achieve a better life for themselves.
Virginia? I don’t agree with your stats at all. People in the South who do their genealogies generally find out that there were no slaveowners in their ancestry—and they are expecting to find it. The internet gives the illusion that you can find out everything, and I think the whole ancestry.com stuff is actually rather dangerous, but documentation of slave ownership is completed unless there’s a will. Many southerners attempt to trace their ancestry to prove that they have enough Cherokee to cash in on casino/tribal money, and find they can’t really prove what their families have told them.
You know what's funny? How people think that people "back then" really knew how to build houses because they lasted so long, when the truth is that only well-built houses lived to tell the tale--so the notion is fostered that they built things well. Truth is, people built junk…and it rotted away..
You wouldn't have to go back to 1810 to see squalor--there are old homesteads all over from just a hundred years ago, to be found falling down in woods and fields.
Several of my ancestors came to Savannah, as indentured servants, with James Oglethorpe in 1732, having been rescued FRom an English debtor’s prison.
I don’t recall anyone in my family ever being mad about being in America!
Nor mine. If anyone is not grateful to live in America they should leave and seek their fortunes elsewhere, not try to destroy America out of revenge or radically change it for the sake of a few.
I don’t think that the old log house rotted away. I saw it in 1952 and it was built in around 1830 out of whole logs. My uncle owned it and he had replaced the roof. My hope is that whoever he sold it to, kept it up and continued to preserve it.
I fully agree!
FReedom hangs in the balance; If these LIEberal/Socialist/Marxist/Fascist thugs want to live in a LIEberal/Socialist/Marxist/Fascist thugocracy, they can go find another country.
Taking America down will destroy FReedom throughout the world.
If not America, who will act as a force for FReedom?
Those cabins can last hundreds if years—unless the roof lets in water. When you see the sag in the ridgepole, that’s all she wrote.
It looks like America is going to be very busy defending it’s way of life and conservative values from within. This means we, as conservatives and patriots, must select and vote for the best candidates that will represent those values starting at the local and state levels.
It looks like we have a number of representatives in Washington D.C. and the GOPe who have forsaken us. The POTUS and his progressive administration certainly do not care. The SCOTUS no longer interprets the Constitution, but legislates the laws. All three branches of the federal government are a mess of corruption, partisan politics, and liberal influences from outside sources.
We must fall back on our states rights in order to survive until we can change the corruption at the federal level. That is why one may see jury nullification, civil disobedience, a convention of states, or other courses of action at these levels in the near future.
I think everyone witnessed the socialist influences and disregard for the our Constitution by the SCOTUS in the unpopular decision hand down yesterday. So in effect, there is no Constitutional law of the land anymore. When citizens fail to comply, we may be faced with martial law and another civil war between the states. I hope we can avoid that but be prepared just in case.
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Post of the thread!
You sense the fact that for the last 2 weeks I have relentlessly been called racist. Yep I’m angry. I would never wish for someone to FOAD.
I grew up in the south. From my perspective PEOPLE in the south live next to each other in peace. Most of the PEOPLE in that church were the same type of PEOPLE I’ve been getting hugs from, or giving hugs to my whole life. Good Christian folks or PEOPLE if you like. I wrote a post last week, that I can’t write again because I tear up every time I think about it. Please go read this http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3302293/posts Post #44, if you want to know how a true southerner feels about race. (sorry about the copy and paste)
Yep I’m angry, and getting angrier. I hoped this was going to calm down when the victim’s families spoke of forgiveness and God’s love in that courtroom, but no all that did was piss off the left and the media who aren’t getting their riots.
Now we have Shabazz, and Farrahkhan calling for destroying the American flag, and calling for a Race War. Would any of the PEOPLE in that church that night be doing this, or want this done in their name?
Slavery was bad. Slavery is bad. But I ain’t never owned anyone. None of my friends growing up was ever owned by anyone. It’s part of black heritage I get that, but it’s hard to respect someones heritage when yours is deemed evil. It would be like me blaming one of my friends for a mugging committed by someone neither one us knows.
My heart was broken by the shooting. When I heard those family members that day in court, I had tears running down my face as I knew I was hearing the voice of God right there on TV.
The shooting is over. We can’t undo it by attacking someone else. What we can do is what we have always done in the south in my lifetime, gather together, hold hands, ask God to not let it happen again, and go back to being neighbors again.
I'm a direct descendant of a soldier who fought for the Union and I have no problem whatsoever with the Confederate Battle Flag.......You should also be aware that there were northerners who also supported slavery. But that's left for another thread............
This whole confederate flag issue has been stewing for over a decade and only now, following the killing of those blacks by a drug addled white kid, is it going to be addressed via knee jerk libtards and their sycophant republicans ...............
AND IT AIN'T GONNA STOP NOW......
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