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To: Finny
WHY are they absent from such a truly critical and important national story?

Well I don't participate in groupthink, so I will only speak for myself.

I wasn't there, and I choose to wait for both sides to present evidence in a court of law before going off and taking sides.

I am enjoying the discussion, and I do have substantial experience with many motorcyclists, including hard core 1%ers. I also happen to know several cops, lawyers, and judges.

To me, this is about trying the case in court, not the media. I remember the Richard Jewel (sp?) situation very well.

107 posted on 06/23/2015 12:00:08 PM PDT by bankwalker (In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: bankwalker; don-o; All
To me, this is about trying the case in court, not the media.

Yes, that is EXACTLY what this is about, and it is succeeding because the media is aiding and abetting abusive law enforcement by telling only PART of the whole story while we wait ... wait ... wait .. wait ... for it to be tried in court.

By the time these clearly unjustified arrests are tried in court, YEARS away from now, it will be far too late to help those people in a demographic very likely to be veterans and supporters of the 2nd amendment who were grievously harmed, taken away from their jobs, homes, obligations, bills, families, cell phones, property, for two weeks to more than a month now ONLY for being a certain kind of American in a certain location at a time the police decided to shoot "bad guys" the police "knew" were going to be there.

If a similar thing happens tomorrow, or next week, or next month, or next year, and the targeted group is a "club" of recreational shooters, or a "club" of RC aircraft (think civilian drones) enthusiasts in a scary situation where the poor put-upon over-stressed police "overreacted" and arrested club members en masse because a few in the club were "known" criminals as they explain and portray those little-known clubs to a fawning, obedient media, IT WOULD BE TOO LATE for that "court of law" to dispense justice for people who are UNIQUELY skilled and equipped to effectively resist organized government tyranny. Those people will have been effectively knocked out of action.

I've READ my history books. I know that it CAN happen in America, and that indeed, because history has repeated itself for centuries, that without vigilance such as people like don-on and our freedom to associate in venues like Free Republic, it WILL happen again.

THAT is why this Waco story is akin to 9-11 -- America changed in a huge number of ways the instant the first plane hit the World Trade Center, and it changed in a huge number of ways the instant those 177 mostly non-criminal bikers were arrested and WRONGLY thrown in jail at TREMENDOUS personal expense, enough to financially destroy them. The damage has been done -- it's too late now even IF every single one is found innocent.

Save your "I don't participate in groupthink" garbage for suckers who haven't yet figured out how deceitful you are to yourself and to them.

116 posted on 06/23/2015 12:28:30 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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