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To: Democrat_media

First off, let’s get some things straight.

cloture - The only procedure by which the Senate can vote to place a time limit on consideration of a bill or other matter, and thereby overcome a filibuster. Under the cloture rule (Rule XXII), the Senate may limit consideration of a pending matter to 30 additional hours, but only by vote of three-fifths of the full Senate, normally 60 votes.

So a “cloture” vote is not voting FOR the bill itself, but for voting to continue or set a time limit for consideration of a bill.

And where do you get your information that Ted Cruz voted NUMEROUS TIMES to advance the TPA? Because, last I checked, there have only been 2 votes on THIS TPA bill, today being one of them.

You must be confusing TPP with TPA, as many people are. TPP is the trade deal, that I agree, is a scary idea. But since NO ONE has read it outside of DC, and NONE OF US know exactly what is in it, for us to “speculate” and drag on like it’s this HORRID thing, without ALL the facts, is, well, a bit of a knee jerk reaction. Granted, it is Obama at the helm, so I can only imagine, it’s a disaster. But again, without ALL THE FACTS, it shouldn’t even be part of our vernacular until we KNOW. Let’s use some common sense here...if you can find it.

TPA on the other hand, is the procedures FOR the TPP (Trade Deal). Either you lack the understanding about what the TPA does or you have fallen for the MSM/left-wing misinformation, about what the TPA does. Because as it was passed, WITH Cruz’s amendment, it WOULD have the tools in it TO STOP Obama and get more transparency and oversight on the trade bill.

You are DEAD WRONG when you say Ted Cruz’s amendment was not in the first passing, as it was. TPA didn’t pass the first time, because of TAA, which was tied to it.

But this SECOND vote for TPA today, does NOT have Ted’s amendment in it, and like I said before, is one of the reasons he is voting NAY.

And for the record, I never called you a name. I said you were a liar, because you are. And I said you are daft, because you are. Those aren’t names, they are descriptions of your character. You are not posting the TRUTH about Obamatrade, because YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS IN OBAMATRADE. And as well, as I’ve mentioned above, have clearly confused it with TPA (the procedural methods), so this “truth” you speak of, is invalidated.

Not once did I ever say or concern myself what or how Cruz looks like on this. Not once. Your little spiel doesn’t make any sense.

At least we can agree the Obamatrade deal is probably a bad thing. But again, coming on and posting the drivel you have, and then claiming it’s “truth”, is unacceptable and spreading misinformation and you’re damn right you’re going to get jumped on.


715 posted on 06/24/2015 1:34:47 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Justice will not be served until those who r unaffected r as outraged as those who r. B Franklin)
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To: Lucky9teen

Thanks. Post #715 was very helpful.


717 posted on 06/24/2015 1:39:25 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Lucky9teen

So a “cloture” vote is not voting FOR the bill itself, but for voting to continue or set a time limit for consideration of a bill.

We. all. know. this. Maybe I can explain to you why I am so disappointed in this vote.

We have a speaker of the house who punishes representatives who vote in accordance with representing their district.

We have a majority senate leader who cheats in primaries, and had this to say on Jan 7.
“We’re in active discussion on TPA,” said McConnell, adding, “It’s an enormous grant of power, obviously, from a Republican Congress to a Democratic president, but that’s how much we believe in trade as an important part of America’s economy.”

We have a president, who is actively trying to destroy our country.

I voted for Cruz in the primary, the runoff and the general because I thought he got this. I thought he saw how corrupt our govt. had gotten, and would work to stop it.

The tpa besides starting a timer, also changes the necessary voting requirements to simple majority.

Why would anybody lower the threshold with these 3 people in power? I don’t care what amendments Cruz had in the bill. There is a 60 day window, this group of people change bills in the middle of the night and expect a vote in the a.m. As far as the dems being against it because of labor unions, yeah right. I am sure this administration would never go to them and say psst.... vote for this, and I will take care of the part about the unions after passage, because that has never happened before. /s

And at the end of the day, when all this is done, what will congress do about it? NOTHING.

Cruz should have never trusted that this group of people would not cheat, lie or steal, they will. it should have always been a no vote, no matter what was in it.


728 posted on 06/25/2015 8:41:18 AM PDT by magglepuss (Don't tread on)
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