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To: T Ruth

> “From the minimal information released to us peons, it appears that these agreements are mainly about two things: crony capitalism, and totalitarian social engineering. A few tariff reductions are the Trojan horse that gets the main things through.”

You should wait until the TPP and the other trade agreements are made public before concluding or speculating what’s in them.

> “My understanding is that as a practical matter passing TPA means exactly that: the supposedly yet-to-be negotiated deals will pass.”

That’s completely false. TPA requires any trade agreement that uses it be made public at least 60 days prior to an up or down vote on the trade agreement. Therefore, the American people will have a chance to contact their representatives in Congress about their preferences.

BUT, .... Congress does not appear to function reliably any longer as a representatives body for the American people because of people like Boehner who are now confirmed to go against the will of the voters while representing special interests.


36 posted on 06/21/2015 6:11:57 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Hostage
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37 posted on 06/21/2015 6:14:14 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("When a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced.")
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To: Hostage

That’s completely false. TPA requires any trade agreement that uses it be made public at least 60 days prior to an up or down vote on the trade agreement. Therefore, the American people will have a chance to contact their representatives in Congress about their preferences.


That’s a straw argument. We don’t need TSA to see a trade agreement. There is this other document you may have heard of called the Constitution. I can assure you Congress sees all trade agreements before they vote on them.

Why is Ted Cruz supporting the fast tracking of the totally secret Obama TiSA/TTIP trade agreements? Please answer that question.


41 posted on 06/21/2015 6:20:56 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Hostage
You should wait until the TPP and the other trade agreements are made public before concluding or speculating what’s in them.

I have a firm confidence in Obama to harm the United States in every way he can. What's been leaked so far confirms this expectation.

48 posted on 06/21/2015 6:43:44 PM PDT by T Ruth (Mohammedanism shall be defeated.)
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