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The Cross and the Confederate Flag
Moore to the Point ^ | June 19, 2015 | Russell Moore

Posted on 06/20/2015 12:35:53 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat

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To: rusty schucklefurd
Rightly or wrongly, fairly or unfairly, logically or illogically, the Confederate Battle Flag has come to represent slavery and racism.

Let me supply some background and, dare I say it, focus.

The campaign against the Battle Flag was begun by The New York Times in 1991 with piece by a Southern renegade writer named Ray Garganus, who "suggested" that it was time to put away the Confederate flags.

This coincided with a new push by the NAACP to spike up black voting turnout, which has been low except in certain years, by waving the bloody shirt and shouting "cracker, cracker! Right over there!!"

Bill Clinton has always demonized the white South with quotes uttered for consumption in the black community about "them" and "those people" (meaning white men), and about how bad and hateful they are. If anyone got up and said something like that about the black race, every journalist in the United States would have a stroke.

The "Confederate flag controversy" is an artificial one, and it has always been a political exercise in blackguarding and demonizing southern white voters, for the benefit of Northern liberal politicians. The "controversy" and the identification of the Battle Flag with "segs" and "haters" and "them" has been purely a project of northern Journolisters and the NAACP.

Sorry, but there it is. Sorry you've been influenced by their clear-eyed malice.

61 posted on 06/20/2015 1:51:39 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house , the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: MacNaughton

re: “Let us leave the divisiveness behind us, and that includes the confederate battle flag. We have a bigger, and more deadly enemy in front of us, POTUS #44 BHO and the Democrat Party. A better symbol of resistance and freedom is the Gadsden flag.”

Well said, and I completely agree with you. Didn’t know much about Russell Moore, thanks for the word of warning.


62 posted on 06/20/2015 1:51:56 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: IronJack
re Post 3

A lot of common sense coming from IronJack, right there. Common sense makes everything so easy.

63 posted on 06/20/2015 1:54:47 PM PDT by Dartman (Canadian, eh. And proud of it.)
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Every photograph is the ‘way to run away’ ...


64 posted on 06/20/2015 1:58:22 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Do what is Right ... It causes liberal heads to explode!)
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To: LeoWindhorse
AN AMERICAN TRAGEDY IN CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA The unspeakable tragedy at Charleston’s Emanuel AME Church is being already being used by some in the “agititation/propaganda” business to further divide good hearted people of different heritages, especially in the Southern states. We 30,000 members of the Sons of Confederate Veterans are heartbroken by this depraved and insane act of murder. Our deepest sympathies and our most heartfelt prayers are with the victims and loved ones of this heinous act of a deluded racist. We at the S.C.V. have long detested the use of our forefather’s symbols by racist groups and individuals. We consider it to be a cowardly desecration of our inheritance. Our ancestors fought for the South and of that we are not ashamed. In the 150 years since the War ended, the men and women of the South, of all colors, have contributed a higher percentage of military volunteers than any other region of our nation. This country would not exist were it not for Southerners like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. We are American patriots to the core. The mindless murders at Emanuel AME Church were an act of purposeful evil. Those who try to make larger political hay out of this are misguided and forgetful of our common heritage. As a nation of many ethnicities we should all extend tolerance and understanding to every individual of every heritage. And that should include those of us of Confederate heritage. We must not allow the sickness of one demented individual to become that with which the media and our opponents define us. We are the same good-hearted people that we were last week and last year. May the Lord be with those who are suffering from the dreadful murders in Charleston. We stand with them to decry racism and to decry those who wish to divide us in the aftermath of this evil. Ben Jones, Chief of Heritage Operations, Sons of Confederate Veterans ‪#‎SCV‬ ‪#‎ElmSprings‬
65 posted on 06/20/2015 1:59:56 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: lentulusgracchus

re: “The “Confederate flag controversy” is an artificial one, and it has always been a political exercise in blackguarding and demonizing southern white voters, for the benefit of Northern liberal politicians. The “controversy” and the identification of the Battle Flag with “segs” and “haters” and “them” has been purely a project of northern Journolisters and the NAACP.

Sorry, but there it is. Sorry you’ve been influenced by their clear-eyed malice.”

I think you mis-read my entire post. I do not view the Confederate Battle flag, nor any of the Confederacy’s flags, with hatred or racism. But, whether we like it or not, the media has been successful in identifying it as such.

But, whether people view it that way or not - it is up to the people of South Carolina and Mississippi as to whether or not they include the Battle flag on their respective state flags. It is none of my business since I do not live in either of those states - nor your’s if you do not live in one of those states.


66 posted on 06/20/2015 2:00:25 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: lentulusgracchus

pedals start to fade by the picket fences .... nobody calls one to ‘pull into a different drum’ ... ‘We’ tried our best ....


67 posted on 06/20/2015 2:00:56 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Do what is Right ... It causes liberal heads to explode!)
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To: DoughtyOne
has become somewhat of a symbol of a rebellious nature. Moonshiners, non-conformists, a good ole’ (rowdy) southern boy... it’s just a flag or symbol some folks like.

Hi D1,

As always, we are seeing eye to eye. My comment would be toward more emphasis - I don't think there is a another more powerful symbol of legitimate rebellion in American culture...

As an instance, if a state were to depart the Union under her own flag, that would be something, alright - But if she raised up that Rebel flag, that'd be a whole 'nuther thing, and the impact would resonate like a bell throughout the South, the lower Midwest(perhaps all of the Midwest), the Desert Southwest and the Rockies. And black, brown, red, yellow, or white, everyone therein would not see it as an endorsement of slavery, but rather, the singular, only, and ultimate symbol of American rebellion that it most certainly is.

Something very much akin to the reaction here. There isn't a Country kid anywhere that doesn't hear that, or that doesn't know what it means... If the Gadsen flag is 'NO!', the Rebel flag is 'Aw hell, NO!"

And that is why the 'PTB' need so very much to discredit it.

68 posted on 06/20/2015 2:01:24 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

yep, it ‘holding a picture’ to save ‘breath’


69 posted on 06/20/2015 2:01:54 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Do what is Right ... It causes liberal heads to explode!)
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To: iowamark
The black mayor of Atlanta was so infuriated by the state flag (well, agitated by the NAACP, more like it) that he took it down, and I saw to my surprise a giant Georgia State flag from the 1920's, the flag of hard-core Jim Crow Georgia, floating over Hartsfield International Airport as a substitute for the flag under which all of the civil-rights movement's gains had been made, the flag if you will of "moderating" Georgia.

Just a reminder that, when you're white, you're always still too white for some people.

Now the state flag is a Confederate National (1861) with a Georgia state seal in the middle of the union of 13 stars.

Very clever.

70 posted on 06/20/2015 2:02:55 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house , the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: roamer_1

‘am’ accepting what is all alone ...


71 posted on 06/20/2015 2:03:00 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Do what is Right ... It causes liberal heads to explode!)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

I do.


72 posted on 06/20/2015 2:03:51 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: lentulusgracchus

‘when the hour is going South’ blame the South ....


73 posted on 06/20/2015 2:03:53 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Do what is Right ... It causes liberal heads to explode!)
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To: jmacusa

it is close to being ‘better’?


74 posted on 06/20/2015 2:06:11 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Do what is Right ... It causes liberal heads to explode!)
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To: rockrr

sniff ... sniff ... Pretty Girls?


75 posted on 06/20/2015 2:08:45 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Do what is Right ... It causes liberal heads to explode!)
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To: Dartman
Common sense makes everything so easy.

It's also highly un-common these days.

76 posted on 06/20/2015 2:09:11 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: rusty schucklefurd
it is a bit disingenuous to say that Jesus was endorsing slavery as an institution simply because He didn’t rebuke the centurion because he owned a slave.

No, it isn't. Nor is it disingenuous to point out that the ethics and morals of owning and working slaves was referenced in Numbers and Deuteronomy; likewise, Abraham's wife Sarah owned the slave-woman Hagar, a "woman of Egypt", and Sarah even pimped Hagar to Abraham as a vehicle for a child, when Abraham and Sarah were childless but after God had promised them that Sarah, who was very old, would bring forth the child would would be the progenitor of Israel.

Of course, that was a sin, but Abraham and Sarah sinned not in owning Hagar, nor even in progenerating on her (she bore Ishmael, whose descendants are the House of Araby), but in doubting God's word and proceeding as if He had not uttered His promise to Abraham.

77 posted on 06/20/2015 2:11:13 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house , the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Georgia now flies the original Confederate Stars and Bars with one small change, and not a peep.

And what about Alabama, Arkansas, & Florida, who incorporated the St. Andrews cross of the battle flag into their state flags? Where are the protests?


78 posted on 06/20/2015 2:14:05 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: lentulusgracchus

wonder why moslems say ‘give me an open window’ ... no daylight moves a moslem but ‘in the end’ the words so hard to find are jihad ...


79 posted on 06/20/2015 2:14:41 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Do what is Right ... It causes liberal heads to explode!)
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To: Carry me back
The war of northern stealing tge money and taking. over the treasury...

I thought I'd seen every wackdoodle name for the Civil War by now but this is a new one. Congratulations.

80 posted on 06/20/2015 2:14:54 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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