Posted on 06/20/2015 12:35:53 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
I have a front licence plate that has an American Flag and a Confederate Battle Flag together. I’ m thinking of removing it from my truck and hanging it up in my garage.
I’m concerned that I am making myself and family a target of some wacho.
This is a sad day for our Country.
Thomas Jefferson owned 700 slaves over his life time. He freed 5 of them while alive and 5 others were freed in his will. I believe 6 of the 10 were blood relatives of Sally Hemings. After his death, the Jefferson slaves were sold to pay the massive debts that haunted Jefferson in is later years.
Post your facts.
Post your facts.
Thank you for your insights, dearest sister in Christ!
I don’t have any history books on the klan but the research I’ve done online doesn’t show klan members using the CBT until the fourth iteration which came into being during the mid-depression years.
The first noted use of the Stars and Stripes was in 1915 when William Joseph Simmons reconstituted the klan. He also appears to be responsible for introducing a lot of the rituals and symbolism into the klan.
Before that the klan’s Interests and motivations had nothing to do with American patriotism or nationalism - it was exclusively southern and exclusively democrat.
Now the reason why I recount all of this (besides having a love of history) isn’t to dump on the south or southerners. It is to point out an unfortunate reality: like it or not the CBF is associated with systemic racism because influential groups have succeeded in associating the CBF with the klan and racism (but the stars and stripes had a clean getaway). I understand southerners being outraged by the association to a scumbag like Roof but for any of them to deny that reality is simply delusional.
The post that you replied to was me partaking in a give~&~take on the question, “Who flies the rebel flag because they hate Blacks?” - my answer was Dylann Roof. Dylann Roof slurred any southerner who has an affiliation with the CBF. But he did much more than that. Due to the broad-brushing that the left typically does that slur has been extended not only to all southerners (regardless of their sentiments about the CBF), but all gun owners and all conservatives.
Dylann committed an atrocious crime against those parishioners but he did none of us any favors either.
Ending slavery for one thing...your argument is somewhat bizarre given that context.
And the Confederacy attacked the United States first.
And it appears the Confederate Flag was not raised until 1962 in SC - hardly had been there as a symbol of heritage and given the events of that particular time, probably wasn’t put there for that reason.
Some of the arguments
In his will Jefferson specifically frees Burwell Colbert, Joseph Fossett, John Hemmings, Madison Hemmings, and Easton Hemmings. Robert Hemings and James Hemings were legally freed by Jefferson during his lifetime. Harriet Hemmings, Beverly Hemings and James Hemings were allowed to leave the Monticello estate, but were not legally freed. After his death, Sally Hemmings was “placed on her own time” (meaning she no longer was required to work)and eventually was allowed to leave Monticello to live with one of her sons for the remainder of her life. I was wrong, 8 of the 10 slaves Jefferson freed were related to Sally Hemmings.
Perhaps my Scottish and Irish ancestors too should be mentioned. They were mistreated in similar manner.
Here’s a tip: none are without sin. You simply state the nature of humans. Nothing else.
My ancestors fought for the north. They killed their fellow Americans under the direction of the politicians in power. People in the south were killed because they wanted out. Many of them were kids, some as young as 14.
This is really pathetic. Nine people are dead in a vicious attack committed by a vile racist and all people are talking about is will the South Carolina legislature vote a to remove a stupid flag. As if the flag was the whole motivation for the massacre.
Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
The Alinskynites appear intent on igniting a race war.
Wake up America.
Ken Hamblin used to Thank God his ancestors were slaves, otherwise he would be African, not American.
The real question has nothing to do with a flag. The real question is just what is it that the progressives CAN’T make the rest of us do? Let’s start with the easy stuff. Pay income taxes? Check. Accept perversion as “normal”? Check. Accept bigger and bigger, more intrusive gummint? Check. Accept universal snooping? Check. Accept ridiculous behavior against our persons in order to travel? Check. Am I missing some?
How about accepting civilian disarmament? Just what is it they could propose that we would respond with, “Alright, now you have just gone and done it!”
Oh I’m not saying it wasn’t used in other theaters - I’m sure it was, it’s just that it was MOSTLY used in the eastern one. Its popularity now is almost entirely based on its association with the Confederacy’s premier military formation (the ANV) and the fact that it is just about the best widely used design, much better than the “stars and bars” for example.
“The problem doesn’t lie with the flag.”
Absolutely.
IMHO
Now let me ask you this: when do you think the Black "co-religionists" of Mr. (Dr.?) Moore will re-think their decades long alliance and love affair with the political Left--with abortion, homosexuality, atheism, evolution, and higher criticism?
My prediction is never. And the institutional Black church has chosen to ignore all moral issues in favor of all social justice all the time and is totally invested in the complete nihilist revolution of the Gramscians. This is unfortunate, but it is true.
There is something I don't understand and which I wish someone would explain to me: all the Blacks I encounter personally appear to be Biblical fundamentalists, yet they vote Democrat and produce only leftist Democrat politicians and resolutely refuse to get involved on the issue of traditional morality.
Yes, but trying to make heads or tails of national policy on a wing-nut doesn’t really make sense.
Some people try to make rational policy off situations like this, caused by one of the least rational among us.
Thanks Roamer_1.
I agree with a good portion of your comments.
I only diverge a bit when you talked about the PTB, needing to destroy it’s worth.
The reason I say this, is they aren’t trying to destroy it for it’s worth (at least IMO), as much as they are trying to use it as another crow-bar to break out more racism.
That flag isn’t racist any longer. One could argue it never was. At our inception, states were to have strong self-rule. Although they were tied together in our union, the power of the federal government was nothing like it is today.
The states felt they had a right to determine their own best destiny.
A lot of folks will say, yes, but they did it over slavery. Was that really true? Wasn’t it ultimately over state’s rights, with the core issue slavery?
One could argue the South went to war defending self-rule.
As such, I’m simply not convinced the flag was every an exclusive symbol of racists. One could just as easily see it as a symbol of freedom from federal oppression.
Just some thoughts...
Take care.
Exactly, and to bastardize a quote from a movie...
The only way to win is not to play that game.
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