Posted on 06/16/2015 11:25:51 AM PDT by don-o
The controversy over the Waco 170 continues as mre info comes out about the people who were arrested after the deadly May 15th shooting incident outside a biker event in Waco, Texas.
Now with this exclusive interview with one of the arrested, you can make up your own mind.
Did the Waco police overstep their authority and arrest innocent people? Or did they do the right thing and bust over 170 dangerous bikers?
It’s one thing to read about it. Watch our interview with Matt Clendennen and if you can figure out who’s telling the truth: the police or the bikers?
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
Can you define “Dangerous Bikers?”
What is your basis for that? Because the Waco Chief of Police said his men were sitting in their vehicles until some sort of disturbance occurred. They then emerged from their vehicles and fired 12 rounds.
Of course, we have no information on what Abbot's or Obama's men were doing.
-- you change the subject and want to know MY definition of "dangerous biker," while failing to indicate in any small way how YOU define a "dangerous biker." For all I know, you think a biker who LEGALLY lane-splits in stop-and-go rush-hour traffic is a "dangerous biker" on a par with dangerous bikers who kidnap white toddlers and sell them in Mexico for sex slaves. Frankly, my definition of "dangerous biker" is one who is involved in violent crime such as robbery, extortion, drug-running, meth cooking, kidnapping, and child sex trade. Those are the crimes that hard-core clubs like the Hells Angels and Mongols are famous for.
How do YOU define "dangerous" bikers -- and then answer the question, yes or no: IS IT LIKELY for two thirds of the bikers you would define as "dangerous," to lack criminal records?
But everyone here with half a brain knows that you will AGAIN employ methods of deflection and diversion, because you are DUPLICITOUS, whether intentionally or because you are too proud to be able to admit you were wrong.
I admit I was wrong, wrong, wrong for the first two weeks after this event happened. Because I actually know bad-ass hard-core bikers, I laughed and thought, "Good riddance to bad rubbish, hooray for the cops." UNLIKE either of you two, I am honest enough to cop to having been mislead. I am perfectly okay with admitting it and saying "I stand corrected."
After all the reliable information that is available now, the only thing that could remotely explain your position, that these cops were somehow justified, is that you are either willfully and stubbornly ignorant in order to maintain your illusion because your egos are simply incapable of admitting that you had been wrong but now stand corrected, OR you are deceivers of others deliberately. Having known BOTH of you on FR for a long time, I am hoping it is the former rather than the latter.
What are you talking about?
Did you have an argument with your wife?
Did one of your kids get kicked out of school?
Have you been told that you have terminal cancer?
*SIGH*
Look, do you think a force 70-100 (est Cossacks) strong goes ANYWHERE without letting folks know they are coming? Just the logistics of parking, seating, and etc is going to require it. To just 'show up' that large is pretty rude.
The CoCs and rallies that I worked knew who was coming (at least to some degree) - we had to be able to reserve parking for large clubs so they could park together (as they do), assure seating was reasonably accounted and reserved - Things like that. And being able to estimate attendance is necessary, even in reserving a venue - making sure catering is well prepared, making sure there's enough porta-johns...
Of course folks need to know you are coming. One would call and ask if they have room for y'all... Ask to come. To show up 'uninvited' throws logistics right out the window.
That doesn't mean it isn't an open meet. It's in an open restaurant where anyone is able to come and go, for Pete's sake...
Now, I'll admit that I don't know how it works with Texas CoCI - CoC's are all locally governed, and make their own charter, and conduct their own business their own way. But the general flavor of it is going to be the same, wherever you go.
The attempts to paint CoC's as closed, nefarious meetings to plot vengeance and mayhem, where evil biker gangs strong-arm poor independents for the right to ride the road is total, utter, and complete bullsh*t. Especially in a strip mall on Sunday morning with everyone's old ladies in attendance... Even a moron should be able to see that.
Very well said Sir!
But Holy Cow, look at that list of "bad ass criminal gang" vehicles! My god, it looks like Road Warrior -- a 2004 Mazda!! A 1999 GMC pickup! A 2002 Ford F-250! A 2009 Toyota!
What we are witnessing in America right now is a choreographed thing -- lots of racial tension and "transgender" dementia fomented and nourished by MSM sensationalism to distract from serious things going down, such as this blatant contempt on the part of probable FED militarized "law enforcement" to seize property of the largest single demographic in America, Harley riders who belong to mom-and-pop clubs and/or who ride independently, most likely to openly resist tyranny. So devices such as this are used to ruin their lives, careers, and finances even if they ARE FOUND INNOCENT after it all comes out.
I am very sad and sorry to say that this Waco thing, supported and swallowed by so-called "conservatives" (who live in fear of being called "conspiracy theorists") in too great a number on FR, of all places, indicates the "official" beginning of the end of America. And people are being distracted by having racial hatreds fomented and focusing on that instead. It is CHOREOGRAPHED.
Why are American patriots on FR instead allowing themselves to be diverted by "news" of white women faking they're black, men faking they're women, sicko individuals indulging in racism (both colors), and the dog-and-pony circus of Republicans running for President, when right under your noses, more than 100 regular Americans HAVE BEEN HELD CAPTIVE ON MILLION DOLLAR BAIL for doing nothing? Why are American patriots here on FR allowing an MSM/law enforcement narrative to deceive them so easily? Heck, I believed it myself for the first two weeks. I have since learned that Roamer is SPEAKING TRUTH when he observes:
The attempts to paint CoC's as closed, nefarious meetings to plot vengeance and mayhem, where evil biker gangs strong-arm poor independents for the right to ride the road is total, utter, and complete bullsh*t. Especially in a strip mall on Sunday morning with everyone's old ladies in attendance... Even a moron should be able to see that.
And Roamer forgot to include this additional FACT -- "In plain view of at least SIX clearly marked police cars (not to mention the armored vehicle parked in the shopping center parking lot."
This is the single most important domestic news event/issue right now, by far. Yet it is not only being ignored, MOST "sensible people" aren't even aware that it happened.
BUT IT DID HAPPEN AND IS STILL HAPPENING.
For the love of God and Country, PAY ATTENTION.
Simple answer is that the news cycle drives FR. And, for whatever reason, we just do not have that many people who are able or willing to think deeply and in an historical framework, about a thing that should never happen here. Too many people want their food chewed for them.
I have noticed a few new voices joining the conversation. I expect more lurk, perhaps intimidated by the trolls and disruptors.
If you think what I thought for the first two weeks, then you assume it was moron biker criminals shooting other biker criminals and the cops showed up and helped them along; after the dust cleared nine "bad guys" were dead and almost 200 in jail, more power to the cops.
That I so easily believed it for two weeks is something I am ASHAMED to admit.
MSM/law enforcement together are falsely painting as "criminal biker on criminal biker violence," when just a slightly closer look at the facts the MSM/law enforcement forgets to mention or stress, show that it sure as heck WASN'T what the MSM/LEO says it was. It certainly IS a case of more than 100 people in or around the Harley Davidson rider demographic who have zero criminal records, some of whom may not even own a motorcycle, being held on false charges and having their reputations and financial lives RUINED. That is what it IS, clearly -- all you have to do is investigate and think to understand that this is so.
For the love of God and Country, PAY ATTENTION.
That lynch mob mentality (so easily manipulated) will be the undoing of America, most likely, and will make it so much easier for the Dems to foment the race war or any other open conflict they want.
People don't take the time to realize the rioters/looters represented less than 1% of Baltimore's population and rush to condemn all urban blacks, and blacks in general over incidents like Baltimore or Fergusson.
Any voices of reason (from either side) are muted by the media coverage of the most radical and shrill.
So, here we see entire demographics presented as the media has desired for decades (independent of reality), demonized and Alinsky'd, and served up for your entertainment.
And if the media get it wrong, they just slide it quietly out of the news cycle, shout "Squirrel!" and are off to the next big thing, leaving the wreckage of people and families, neighborhoods, and businesses in their wake.
You don't have to actually lose a vehicle to be denied the use of it, and if that use is integral to your business, work, or employment, you are going to hurt.
The present meme is that the police should be given Carte Blanche to do whatever, that dangerous mobs and 'gangs' are roaming the streets at will, and that you should surrender your arms to be safe, and give the police unbridled power and lots of military style toys to use with it.
Between that and fomenting hatred across any available social boundary, the stage is being set for martial law before the current crop of politicians are voted out.
The worst enemies of the Republic aren't wearing uniforms, leather jackets, gang colors, or even badges.
They are wearing press passes, hauling cameras or microphones, or worse yet, behind the scenes deciding who and what goes on the air to give what opinion to the frustrated masses who would love to vent their collective aggravation on a target...any target.
It is a powder keg, and being made worse by the media daily.
Well, we do not have a lot to go on, but there have been some accounts (from bikers and police) that there WAS a disturbance, a fight, that went down. The Waco cops were in their vehicles when that happened and it motivated them go get out and do the thing that they did.
People don't take the time to realize the rioters/looters represented less than 1% of Baltimore's population and rush to condemn all urban blacks, and blacks in general over incidents like Baltimore or Fergusson.
The worst enemies of the Republic aren't wearing uniforms, leather jackets, gang colors, or even badges.
They are wearing press passes, hauling cameras or microphones, or worse yet, behind the scenes deciding who and what goes on the air to give what opinion to the frustrated masses who would love to vent their collective aggravation on a target...any target.
It is a powder keg, and being made worse by the media daily.
I am very, very sad and angry to say ... that I agree with you. :^[
And they are aided and abetted by Americans who are allowing themselves to be led by the nose.
The CoCs and rallies that I worked knew who was coming (at least to some degree) - we had to be able to reserve parking for large clubs so they could park together (as they do), assure seating was reasonably accounted and reserved - Things like that. And being able to estimate attendance is necessary, even in reserving a venue - making sure catering is well prepared, making sure there's enough porta-johns...
Of course folks need to know you are coming. One would call and ask if they have room for y'all... Ask to come. To show up 'uninvited' throws logistics right out the window.
I don't disagree and what you're saying really speaks to is the absolute necessity to have some control over who is attending these regional meetings... which is why the people who organized the meeting and have gone on the record saying the Cossacks were not invited, are believable.
These same people are statewide representatives on the US Defenders Legislative Task Force... which adds to their credibility.
That doesn't mean it isn't an open meet. It's in an open restaurant where anyone is able to come and go, for Pete's sake...
According to one of the organizers...the CoC had 'reserved' a large portion of the restaurant, including the patio area, for their meeting. This would not be an uncommon occurance for large group events and fits in with your earlier point about logistics. The parking lot of course is a different story and that is where the trouble between the two groups supposedly began.
Now, I'll admit that I don't know how it works with Texas CoCI - CoC's are all locally governed, and make their own charter, and conduct their own business their own way. But the general flavor of it is going to be the same, wherever you go.
My understanding is that there are a dozen CoC regions in Texas and its been said that it's unusual for folks from one CoC region to attend meetings in another region.
How accurate do you think that statement is?
In front of at least six clearly marked police cars plus an armored vehicle parked in a nearby parking lot.
... speaks to the absolute necessity to have some control over who is attending these regional meetings... ... so people who belong to clubs of enthusiasts have to do the work of police? They have to have their meetings in private locations where they actually can refuse admittance to crashers, and screen/id every one, because even though the bad-asses wear signs on their backs broadcasting that they are active criminals, the cops are too inept to catch them?
Who has gone on record saying the Cossacks weren't invited? I would be interested, because so far, the only sources I've seen that accuse Cossacks of being bad asses, are the police. I've seen the police claim that Cossacks weren't invited. Maybe a few Bandidos claim that the Cossacks weren't invited. As if it meant anything at all in busy restaurant in a busy shopping center, ALL open to the public.
Shame on you, mac truck, really. Shame on you, for even allowing that being "invited" or not is an issue no matter WHO or WHAT -- this was at a PUBLIC RESTAURANT, so people were free to show up "invited" or not.
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