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To: SoConPubbie

After giving this some thought, I find it somewhat surprising that Ted Cruz has taken up the same agenda as Obama.

As we already know the general direction is a slope toward totalitarianism, how is it not foolish to champion an unknown or unquantified agenda of a Marxist, a narcissist, and a pervasive liar?

As I posted once before, there are several questions which it seems a true conservative would need answered, such as -

How can a true conservative champion a non-enumerated bureaucracy, let alone an international bureaucracy, which allows us 1 vote at a larger table, and which by nature is designed to impact our trade and economy?

Who pays for this new bureaucracy, the offices, travel, staff, police, enforcement of regulations...? Who are the governing recipients?

If economy and trade directly impact our own annual congressional budgets in the U.S., how can this not impact or interfere with future budget processes in Congress?

Regarding what is supposed to be our Constitutional Republic and representative form of government, why is the executive branch, which has routinely disclosed TS military operational details, hell bent on secrecy of this economic legislation?

Is Congress authorizing the president to “tweak” this legislation after it has been passed?

Can anyone actually prove we are not giving or transferring additional executive authority to this president, which was not enumerated in the Constitution? And NOT the “living breathing” version wrongly championed by the “progressives” or socialists.

Can we actually trust the executive branch and corporations who have crafted most of this legislation, already yoked by “corporatism,” who have demonstrated little to no loyalty to the U.S., or moral boundaries, to not give away more U.S. Sovereignty?

Are the new centralized international bureaucracies now being authorized in these bills, also being authorized to bypass the legislative branch in perpetuity on any economic & trade issues and policies, as most agencies our legislative and executive branches have created in the past have done?

Are we intentionally, or by “collateral damage,” helping to create and authorize an international authority which can either now or in the future, tax the U.S. without congressional approval?

Will the passage of this legislation help to create the bureaucracy necessary to implement UN climate regulations and taxes.?

Once created, will the U.S. Congress even be able to override divergent and harmful regulations? Will any attempt require 2/3rds of the Senate?

Does anyone actually know what is in the final version of this bill?

If not, how can a true conservative defend any congressmen or senator who does not know the breadth of what is in the final version they are voting for?


19 posted on 06/15/2015 2:28:43 AM PDT by patriotfury (May the fleas and flatulence of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tent!)
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To: patriotfury

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37 posted on 06/15/2015 7:00:43 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: patriotfury

I suggest you look at some of the links posted on various heated threads on the site and do a lot of reading.

The TPA is a fully available bill and has been posted publicly with analysis for some weeks while under consideration. It was never secret or classified. It is a renewal of a process that has been in place for most of the last 75 years. It was being renewed to modify it by the Republican majorities from when it was last issued under Democrat majorities.

The key is that either House can change its rules through Majority and deal-kill anything done through the TPA at any time. Nancy did it to Bush.

Like Base closures, it is simply a way for the two Houses to establish a procedure to handle a contentious issue without endless debates and hold ups and then reach an agreement with a simple majority. Almost every trade agreement the USA has put in place in the last 75 years used this process.

The TPP Pacific Trade deal, is not been finalized to even come to the debate stage and Cruz has said he has no position on it yet. It is classified as it is an on going trade deal with only outlines being circulated.

Sessions of Alabama spoke of how steel mills were really concerned about the TPP. Steel is big in Alabama. Sessions said that instead of waiting for the TPP because the Obama administration would answer none of his questions about where the TPP was headed he wanted to kill the renewal of a TPA process to completely kill the possibility of any trade deals of this scope until Obama is out.

In the mean time, Cruz wanting free trade which comes with trade deals to benefit consumers (and I suppose Bilderbergers or some such nonsense according to some) wanted a TPA passed with conservative tweaks. He knows how the TPA can be killed by the majority of either house if an administration goes nutty so he is just trying to put the next six year deal in place.

Now confusion about the differences between the similar program names, about which is being approved, what is public and what is not begins to take over internet discussion boards. and the fringe candidate supporters start saying that “I knew this guys was a secret globalist all along”, or “it really comes down to getting rid of this guy because he and others are all squishy on the Constitution” or “if people really look at the Rand Paul positions they will see he is the answer” and all sorts of crap like this getting everyone’s panties in a wad.

Pretty soon in reading the posts of others filled with questions that don’t actually apply to the facts at hand at all makes it impossible to tell if the poster is (1) merely alarmed and genuinely concerned, (2) truly working against others correctly understanding because they support someone else, or/and (3) a “concern troll” wanting to spread confusion.

We have watched this sweep across this board over the years for similar issues and the only thing odd today is that so any days are passing before people take the time to read all the way through all the links that posters post — we are all getting lazy and expecting people to tell us how to vote.


101 posted on 06/15/2015 6:21:09 PM PDT by KC Burke (Ceterum censeo Islam esse delendam)
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