Posted on 06/12/2015 8:03:21 AM PDT by don-o
You're always welcome to go elsewhere. We support the Constitution here. Doesn't matter who you are.
Guilt or innocence is decided in a trial. No one has even charged with anything except racketeering.
You said that you did not believe the bikers statement. I was asking what you do not believe and why?
It is becoming quite obvious you and some others on this board don't get it or don't care to get it. You don't violate the Constitution and laws of the land when making an arrest. You also don't start shooting people indiscriminately.
Nah. If it did all the screaming would get to us sooner or later.
“One example is ... don’t pass a patched group of riders.”
Fortunately, since I don’t ride a moving roadblock, when I pass a group of patched riders, as I have, there is pretty much zero chance they’re ever going to catch up to me.
lol...true.
thank you.
LOL! Many, many years ago (early summer, 1970), I was on my way, via the I-5, FRom San Diego to NAS Lemoore on my just-purchased-the-day-before 1969 Kawasaki Mach III.
(It was the first bike I had ever owned. If you ever rode one, you would know presicely what I am talking about. The bike did take some getting used to!)
IAE, by the time I got to the Central Valley, I was comfortable riding at and above prevailing highway traffic speeds.
Well, I chanced upon a fairly large group of Hells Angels types, motoring along at about 55 or so. I knew nothing at all about “Outlaw Motorcycle Gang Passing Etiquette,” so I just blasted on past them, waving my hand (showing ALL! fingers) at them. (I doubt I would have acted any different, had I known about the “OMGPE.”)
They took umbrage and gave chase, and, FRankly, it scared the crap out of me when more than several of them sped up as if to chase me down! I learned about the top speed of my Mach III that afternoon!
I also found out that the Harley choppers and trikes those guys were riding were unsafe at highway speeds. Not one of them was able to get close to me, and after a short run at near twice the legal speed limit, I successfully escaped and evaded the Hell’s Angels and the Law! (”But! Officer! Those Hell’s Angels did not look very FRiendy!” was going to be my story, and I WAS going to stick with it!)
After a short period of time, with no scruffy Hells Angels in sight, I motored on to NAS Lemoore to finish my A-4 transition training.
I had no idea, until I read this thread that one is “not supposed to pass a MC club ride.” HST, I’d do it again in a heartbeat if they were holding up traffic. My experience is that most outlaw club riders are not holding up traffic — if anything, they are violating most every rule of the road.
OTOH, “Sunday sport riders” seem to be OK with the laws, customs, etiquette and rules of the road.
Shoot, they even wave (ALL fingers) back at you!
Narcissist personal attacks are on fever pitch on this issue everytime and everywhere. It is like the subject of inquiry goes poof! Gone. Covered up under thread trolling. Somehow staying on this subject is covering for criminals or attacking good citizens that should not be arrested or need protection (ie. People without a badge, that is).
Narcissist personal attacks are on fever pitch on this issue everytime and everywhere. It is like the subject of inquiry goes poof! Gone. Covered up under thread trolling. Somehow staying on this subject is covering for criminals or attacking good citizens that should not be arrested or need protection (ie. People with a badge, that is).
This is a form of argument known as a False Dichotomy.
We see this sort of bullshit from the anti-gun people all the time: "Either you support gun control or you support dead and bleeding children in the streets"
Add to that the pejorative statement that those on motorcycles at the event were all "drug-dealing criminal gang" members.
That statement is firmly backed by the sort of logic found in: All mass murderers ate bread and drank water and rode a bus. If you drink water and eat bread and ride the bus you must be a mass murderer!
Now, after it has been established that there were a number of different motorcycle clubs represented there, who showed up for a meeting to discuss political issues and run schedules, you whip out your broad brush and try to paint everyone there as affiliated with "drug-dealing criminal gangs", so police shooting into a crowd of 200 people is justified in your world, and arresting the remainder and holding them on a million dollar bond in a jail that not only has 170 vacancies (financially troubled?), but has bills to pay.
And, you believe the statements bade by the officer who, working with the BATF, as he had done before ("While in Special Operations Swanton was also involved in the aftermath at Mount Carmel and was awarded the Police Commendation bar along with his other teammates for their involvement." source)
Well, I smell a rat, and maybe a few of them.
The bottom line is that while in any group of 200 people (170+ arrested, 9 dead, 20 wounded) including the help at the restaurant, there are going to be people with no connection to drugs, and two thirds of those arrested for being there had no prior record.
Hardly the CV of a bunch of "drug-dealing criminal gangs".
If the police had been in the right the video would have dominated the news cycle for a couple of days--instead, none of the parking lot video, no body cam, no official video has been released.
It really doesn't matter how law enforcement "identifies" this group or that group. It's meaningless.
There's this little thing called the Constitution. Apparently the Waco PD and the judges down there are in need of a refresher and they are about to get a much needed VERY expensive course.
I have passed patched groups before I knew better. My KZ900 would usually out run anything they might have had. I just hoped that I didn’t need to stop for gas or stop at a bar/diner/restroom along the way. I also hoped they were not going to the same event I was going to ... frog jumps county fair swap meet etc
Yeah, but they have passed these RICO type laws that empower them to cast their nets and see what they can snag.
The video is for the 20th anniversary of the Republic of Texas (ROT) Rally this weekend in Austin where they’re expecting 45,000 bikers. Police and county deputies will have undercover officers in the crowd and spotters on the roofs.
Yeah, let’s hear from the boot lickers how all those 45,000 bikers are big mean murdering drug dealing bad scum of the earth thug gang members.
I should have said, of those identified as being present at the Twin Peaks on 5/17. According to Texas's 2014 Gang Threat Assessment, they are a Tier 2 operation about in the middle of the pack.
http://www.dps.texas.gov/director_staff/media_and_communications/2014/txGangThreatAssessment.pdf
Fixed it for ya.
You call ALR or Patriot Guard riders “gangs” ...
Thank you, LT Calley.
Now we understand what REALLY happened at My Lai, when your Company C just happened to be hiking past that village when a pistol fight broke out between rival Vietnamese clans.
Thank GOODNESS that your men were able to put a decisive stop to all the violence between the Viets!
That is exactly how preposterous the Waco PD official cover story is.
Thanks for the clarification, LT Calley.
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